>>Please note, if Microsoft gave out MAS and AV,
>>then it is anti-competitive all over again.

(AV software not withstanding), I wouldn't say that, quite the 
contrary.  :-)  Just look at AdAware, SpyBot, etc.  Since these 
programs are more "open", they are more inclined to LISTEN to 
input and grow, where as MSAS will be much more close-minded 
and, closed-off in general since it's M$.  Also, don't ever 
think that one anti-malware program is going to find 
EVERYTHING.  Such a thing doesn't exist and probably never 
will.  This is why all you can find are necessary.  I for one 
can never trust an "anti trust" company.

MSAS will certainly be a welcome addition (IF it's free), but 
it will not be a stand-alone anti-malware program.  If anyone 
should happen to think that, they have a lot to learn about 
malware and anti-malware software.  In fact, because M$ is so 
big and **targeted**, I would take a guess that MSAS ITSELF is 
going to have "specific targeted vulnerabilities" by 
proprietary malware the way their OS's do.  If it's free, and 
they fix the bugs, will I use it?  Of course I will.  But, I'm 
not going to trust it any more than I trust any one other 
anti-malware program......maybe a bit less.  :-)
-Clint

God Bless
Clint Hamilton, Owner
http://OrpheusComputing.com )
http://ComputersCustomBuilt.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric C. Vogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



MAS puts out more updates mostly daily, sometimes I get two per 
hour when I
tested the DEMO when it was GIANT. It did better than Adaware 
and Spybot.

Do not be surprised, as the PC Satisfaction team are working on 
something.
So my guess is you get MS AV (The one they bought out), MSA, 
and a backup
app for a monthly fee. I rather pay a small fee for something 
that is going
to work, then use two programs plus Geek-To-Super Hero to watch 
for changes.
I only hope there is an non AV and only MAS, because I have NIS 
2005 which
has NAV 2005, why should I pay twice?

Please note, if Microsoft gave out MAS and AV, then it is 
anti-competitive
all over again. I agree it would be better for users if it was 
free and
bundled with Windows, but yet not squash the smaller companies.


Thank you,
Eric Vogel

-----Original Message-----
Support-OrpheusComputing.com

I've been browsing the message boards here for the program:
http://communities.microsoft.com/newsgroups/default.asp?ICP=spyware&sLCID;us

..and it appears that the program times out!  I didn't notice 
it when I had
it installed, but there is an area that states when it expires, 
and the
release version may not be free.  I don't see any point in 
paying for an
anti-malware program when so many of them, GREAT ones, are 
free.  I fear
many will do something stupid and pay for it, then it will 
never be free.
If no one went and bought it, then M$ would be forced to 
reconsider charging
for it.

BTW, unfortunately that message board is pretty much useless if 
you want to
search, and who has the time to read every one of the thousands 
of posts.
Searching is the only way to find anything since many of the 
people there
are idiots using senseless subject lines like "error", "help", 
"please
help", etc., etc.  The search function of course doesn't work! 
You click
"Search", a new window opens up where you set the search 
parameters.....and
that's it!  No "search now" button or anything like that! 
[Enter] doesn't
do it.  If anyone can figure out how it works, please post it.
-Clint
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