So merging (hmm) some ideas from Fede and Dan, maybe "join~/split~", and
a new tap~ object that allows you to pick channels out specifically.  Then
I think for example "clone osc~" might do OK for making an oscillator bank -
assuming it turns out to be practical to send message-time lists to the
frequency input.  (Maybe that's someting clone should know how to do in other
situations too).

still thinking about, for instance, "clone -" to make clones of an anonymous
abstraction that you just edit into being live...

cheers
Miller

On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 01:02:43AM +0100, Fede Camara Halac wrote:
> <html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; 
> charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Hi devs,<div><br></div><div>I can edge 
> 2 cents towards, albeit boringly, join~ and split~ (or 
> unjoin~)</div><div><br></div><div><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); 
> color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Ps. I am very excited about multichannel signals coming 
> into pd! Thanks for making that happen!&nbsp;</span></div><div><span 
> style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 
> 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: 
> rgb(0, 0, 0);">Best!</span></div><div><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); 
> color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br></span></div><div><font color="#000000"><span 
> style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Fede</span></font></div><div><font 
> color="#000000"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 
> 0);"><br></span></font><div dir="ltr"><div>—</div>Dr. Federico Cámara 
> Halac<div>Composer / Programmer / Sound Artist<br><div><a 
> href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://fdch.ar__;!!Mih3wA!HLNtThNWUuXw9RpBcicQ3Mx1Spv0rOty-jEft1oMTi8ARl5KrwNXjoEl_XxoKTMAegcth1VNkKcE0uU$";>https://fdch.ar</a></div></div></div><div
>  dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On 24. Jan 2023, at 00:14, Alexandre 
> Torres Porres &lt;[email protected]&gt; 
> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div 
> dir="auto">There was a snake in the Bible&nbsp;</div><div 
> dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div 
> dir="auto"><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" 
> class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 at 20:04 Dan Wilcox &lt;<a 
> href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>&gt; 
> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 
> 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div
>  style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">I was trying to 
> think of a further biblical [moses] analogy, but I guess there is probably a 
> [moses~] already.<div><br></div><div>Maybe [cross~] / [uncross~] ala 
> Ghostbusters... "don't cross the streams"<br><div><br><blockquote 
> type="cite"><div>On Jan 23, 2023, at 11:05 PM, <a 
> href="mailto:[email protected]"; 
> target="_blank">[email protected]</a> wrote:</div><br><div><span 
> style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">Message:
>  2</span><br 
> style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span
>  
> style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">Date:
>  Mon, 23 Jan 2023 18:53:12 -0300</span><br 
> style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span
>  
> style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">From:
>  Alexandre Torres Porres &lt;</span><a href="mailto:[email protected]"; 
> style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"
>  target="_blank">[email protected]</a><span 
> style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">&gt;</span><br
>  
> style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span
>  
> style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">To:
>  Miller Puckette &lt;</span><a href="mailto:[email protected]"; 
> style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"
>  target="_blank">[email protected]</a><span 
> style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">&gt;</span><br
>  
> style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span
>  
> style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">Cc:
>  Roman Haefeli &lt;</span><a href="mailto:[email protected]"; 
> style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"
>  target="_blank">[email protected]</a><span 
> style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">&gt;,<span
>  style="font-family:Menlo-Regular">&nbsp;</span></span><a 
> href="mailto:[email protected]"; 
> style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"
>  target="_blank">[email protected]</a><br 
> style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span
>  
> style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">Subject:
>  Re: [PD-dev] pack~/unpack~ (was Re: multichannel signals,</span><br 
> style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span
>  
> style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
>  </span><span 
> style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">preliminary
>  support)</span><br 
> style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span
>  
> style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">Message-ID:</span><br
>  
> style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span
>  
> style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
>  </span><span 
> style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">&lt;</span><a
>  
> href="mailto:caeasfmgjzmnqj9iapgmj7jned96ddh9vx0b2dwps1sv2-zw...@mail.gmail.com";
>  
> style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"
>  
> target="_blank">caeasfmgjzmnqj9iapgmj7jned96ddh9vx0b2dwps1sv2-zw...@mail.gmail.com</a><span
>  
> style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">&gt;</span><br
>  
> style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span
>  
> style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">Content-Type:
>  text/plain; charset="utf-8"</span><br 
> style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><br
>  
> style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span
>  
> style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">I
>  find snake~ and unsafe~ a bit weird but amusing, I kinda like idea 
> of</span><br 
> style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span
>  
> style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">typing
>  that object name and read it in a 
> patch</span></div></blockquote></div><br><div>
> <div 
> style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0)">--------</div><div
>  
> style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Dan
>  Wilcox</div><div 
> style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><a
>  
> href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/danomatika__;!!Mih3wA!HLNtThNWUuXw9RpBcicQ3Mx1Spv0rOty-jEft1oMTi8ARl5KrwNXjoEl_XxoKTMAegcth1VN2KNSNSk$";
>  target="_blank" style="font-family:Helvetica">@danomatika</a></div><div 
> style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><a
>  
> href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://danomatika.com__;!!Mih3wA!HLNtThNWUuXw9RpBcicQ3Mx1Spv0rOty-jEft1oMTi8ARl5KrwNXjoEl_XxoKTMAegcth1VN7LdGFU0$";
>  target="_blank" style="font-family:Helvetica">danomatika.com</a></div><div 
> style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><a
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