On Sep 1, 2009, at 5:37 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
--- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner <h...@at.or.at> wrote:
From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <h...@at.or.at>
Subject: Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors
To: "Jonathan Wilkes" <jancs...@yahoo.com>
Cc: pd-list@iem.at
Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 9:21 PM
On Sep 1, 2009, at 2:21 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
--- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner <h...@at.or.at>
wrote:
From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <h...@at.or.at>
Subject: Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch
Authors
To: "Jonathan Wilkes" <jancs...@yahoo.com>
Cc: pd-list@iem.at
Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 7:15 PM
On Sep 1, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Jonathan Wilkes
wrote:
--- On Tue, 9/1/09, Jonathan Wilkes <jancs...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
From: Jonathan Wilkes <jancs...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help
Patch
Authors
To: "Hans-Christoph Steiner" <h...@at.or.at>
Cc: pd-list@iem.at
Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 5:47 PM
--- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner
<h...@at.or.at>
wrote:
From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <h...@at.or.at>
Subject: Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help
Patch
Authors
To: "Jonathan Wilkes" <jancs...@yahoo.com>
Cc: pd-list@iem.at
Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 4:05
PM
On Sep 1, 2009, at 12:41 AM, Jonathan
Wilkes
wrote:
--- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph
Steiner
<h...@at.or.at>
wrote:
From: Hans-Christoph Steiner
<h...@at.or.at>
Subject: Re: [PD] Pd META:
Author/Help
Patch
Authors
To: "Jonathan Wilkes" <jancs...@yahoo.com>
Cc: pd-list@iem.at
Date: Tuesday, September 1,
2009, 5:00
AM
It is Pd, so I think we should
at
least make
an
effort to
make things easy to parse in
Pd.
I tried
your parser
using data that is probably
closer to
what
we
might use, and
it didn't work at
all. If someone
can get a
Pd parser working that can
handle the
commas
well,
then I
would be OK using commas in
the meta
data
format.
Here's my data:
tags - pure data, frequency
modulation,
synthesis
Hi Hans,
I
wouldn't expect my
example
to work as a general solution.
If you
want a general solution, I'd be
happy to
take a
stab
at it, but you
haven't said what you want Pd to
do with
the
data
example you've provided
above.
Ah, sorry, I thought you'd followed
the
object_db.tcl
plugin discussion and the [pd META]
discussion
with
Frank. Basically, the
object_db.tcl
plugin builds a
multilevel menu for finding objects
based on
tags.
I'm
am sure people will think of other
uses for
the
tags.
Frank suggested using comma separated
tags in
his [pd
REFERENCE] format, the PDDP group came
to the
conclusion
that the meta data should be easily
parsable
by Pd,
and I
still think that's a good idea.
So the idea is to have every help
patch have a
[pd
META]
subpatch, and in it, have a comment
with
tags.
.hc
Oh, ok. I'll have a look at that
discussion.
-Jonathan
Yes, I have seen this discussion. But
I'm still
confused: are commas
a problem in tcl? If not, I still don't
understand the problem (see
attached).
<file.pd><parser.pd>
Tcl's not the problem, its Pd's parser. It
interprets
commas as a
separator between messages. Since there
isn't an
escape mechanism, it
means handling commas, semi-colons, etc. is
difficult
unless you are
wanting the behavior of Pd's parser.
If we use commas as the delimiter for individual
tags, then
just
removing the commas means you don't know if you
have
multi-word tags
or just single word tags. So if you have:
tags - frequency
modulation, synth
and its parsed as:
tags frequency modulation
synth
then key information is lost.
Ok. (see attached)
Works for me! Frank will be happy. So let's use
comma-separated tags
and see what happens...
So what kinds of tasks do you want Pd to do with these META comments?
If you already have specific ideas in mind (or have written about them
already some place), let me know and I'll try to put together some
patches.
I think they'll be very useful for searching for an object that does
what you want, or organizing the help patches into some kind of
navigatable hierarchy. Perhaps people will think of other uses as well.
I'm also getting close to the finishing refactoring the help patches
in the reference folder. What should I do with them when I'm
finished?
Attach a zip file to the list?
This sounds great! To start with, try posting some to the list, or
putting the zip on puredata.info and post a link.
.hc
-Jonathan
.hc
-Jonathan
.hc
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