Hi I have been 2010/3/18 <pd-list-requ...@iem.at> > Send Pd-list mailing list submissions to > pd-list@iem.at > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pd-list-requ...@iem.at > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pd-list-ow...@iem.at > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Pd-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Pd, Max/Msp, Reaktor, Plogue Bidule... How do these > compare? (Jonathan Wilkes) > 2. Re: video of Pd Workshop for 11 year olds > (errordevelo...@gmail.com) > 3. Re: mp3cast~ on ubuntu 9.10 crash pd (IOhannes m zmoelnig) > 4. Re: video of Pd Workshop for 11 year olds (Lorenzo) > 5. Re: video of Pd Workshop for 11 year olds (Andrew Faraday) > 6. Pd, Max/Msp, Reaktor, Plogue Bidule... How do these compare? > (saint) > 7. Re: video of Pd Workshop for 11 year olds (Pedro Oliveira) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:26:42 -0700 (PDT) > From: Jonathan Wilkes <jancs...@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [PD] Pd, Max/Msp, Reaktor, Plogue Bidule... How do these > compare? > To: quietdi...@gmail.com, Marco Donnarumma <de...@thesaddj.com> > Cc: pd-list@iem.at > Message-ID: <376196.72041...@web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > --- On Wed, 3/17/10, Marco Donnarumma <de...@thesaddj.com> wrote: > > From: Marco Donnarumma <de...@thesaddj.com> > Subject: Re: [PD] Pd, Max/Msp, Reaktor, Plogue Bidule... How do these > compare? > To: quietdi...@gmail.com > Cc: pd-list@iem.at > Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 11:16 AM > > >As many other said before, I personally think there is nothing to > >compare. All of them are quite separate environments, and i mean not only > >computing capabilities, flexibility and GUI, but above all each community > >supporting the projects. > > >"this" is not better than "that", it's only about what fit best your > >needs. > >So first point out which are exactly your needs. Learning Pd can be > >difficult and exhausting in the beg, but once you get familiar with it, I > >can assure you it's only pleasure. And there is a world of things you > >can't do with any other software. But you have to find out what. > > Hi Marco, > What do you think makes learning Pd difficult and exhausting in the > beginning? Is it just a general learning curve, or are there speficic > issues you think could be improved for the future? > > -Jonathan > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 04:38:37 +0000 > From: errordevelo...@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [PD] video of Pd Workshop for 11 year olds > To: pd-list@iem.at > Message-ID: <20100318043837.gb10...@00110101.home> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hans, that's excellent! > > i was quite curious how kids could react to pd .. > hm ..i'd love to do some pd tutorials one day, and yeah i was thinking > about kids as well! > > the only thing is that i couldn't check the video - > i still don't have sound working in flash with my soundcard setup ;( > > may be you have the video somewhere else? > abby/cclive doesn't support blip.tv and i tried videosnag.com ..but it > didn't do anything .. > > On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 01:56:00PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > > > > Here's a video of a Pd workshop I taught with 11 year old kids in New > York. > > It was amazing how they picked it up and had so little fear to > experiment: > > > > > http://eyebeam.org/press/media/videos/an-introduction-to-electronic-soundscape-design > > > > .hc > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more > > direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it > can > > change entire economies. - Amy Smith > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 09:22:05 +0100 > From: IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoel...@iem.at> > Subject: Re: [PD] mp3cast~ on ubuntu 9.10 crash pd > To: Nicolas Montgermont <nicolas_montgerm...@yahoo.fr> > Cc: pd-list <pd-list@iem.at> > Message-ID: <4ba1e2ad.8060...@iem.at> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" > > On 2010-03-17 20:53, Nicolas Montgermont wrote: > > I tried to compile it from the svn. > > I manage to build the pd_linux (removing the -Werror flag) but the > > object is still crashing pd when connecting to the server... > > here is the log of the compilation, does anyone got an idea? > > thanks in advance: > > could you try to produce a run it in a debugger (gdb), and broduce a > backtrace, like: > > $ gdb pd -stderr mp3cast~-test.pd > (gdb) run > ... > (gdb) backtrace > ... > > > > fgmasdr > IOhannes > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: smime.p7s > Type: application/pkcs7-signature > Size: 3636 bytes > Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature > URL: < > http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/attachments/20100318/30b74022/attachment-0001.bin > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 09:48:22 +0100 > From: Lorenzo <lsut...@libero.it> > Subject: Re: [PD] video of Pd Workshop for 11 year olds > To: Pd List <pd-l...@iem.kug.ac.at> > Message-ID: <4ba1e8d6.3060...@libero.it> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > Here's a video of a Pd workshop I taught with 11 year old kids in New > > York. It was amazing how they picked it up and had so little fear to > > experiment: > > > > > http://eyebeam.org/press/media/videos/an-introduction-to-electronic-soundscape-design > > > > > > .hc > > Nice job. > Lorenzo > PS: One mac per student: lucky kids :) > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 09:18:52 +0000 > From: Andrew Faraday <jbtur...@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [PD] video of Pd Workshop for 11 year olds > To: <h...@at.or.at>, <pd-l...@iem.kug.ac.at> > Message-ID: <col120-w567bb35a362902243fc42fde...@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Great to see this! I do a lot of my workshop teaching from a very basic, > ground-up level. It's good to see that you can bring PD to that young an > audience. Just curious, how long was this workshop overall? > > > From: h...@at.or.at > > To: pd-l...@iem.kug.ac.at > > Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:56:00 -0400 > > Subject: [PD] video of Pd Workshop for 11 year olds > > > > > > Here's a video of a Pd workshop I taught with 11 year old kids in New > > York. It was amazing how they picked it up and had so little fear to > > experiment: > > > > > http://eyebeam.org/press/media/videos/an-introduction-to-electronic-soundscape-design > > > > .hc > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more > > direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, > > it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > _________________________________________________________________ > Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? Tell us now > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/attachments/20100318/15fe9928/attachment.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 03:02:03 -0700 (PDT) > From: saint <sainti...@yahoo.com> > Subject: [PD] Pd, Max/Msp, Reaktor, Plogue Bidule... How do these > compare? > To: pd-list@iem.at > Cc: Me <sainti...@yahoo.com> > Message-ID: <48125.60688...@web113207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I do think that a big snag in the learning curve for some people is the > initial provision of only very basic building blocks. > > You pretty much have to download Pd and then get Miller's book (what I did) > or FLOSS Manual/Andy Farnell's etc. (God I really want Andy's book! Broke > atm!) and then devote a good few hours into getting off the ground. > > What should really be implemented (I've seen some screenshots for the next > release yes??) is the right-click style access to a menu organised into say, > primitive objects, medium and high-level abstractions. > > Initial users, say the casual VST synth Mike or Michelle, just want to... > 1. Crack open a subractive synth. Play it. (High level). > 2. Then dismantle it, see how it works and maybe make their own modular > noise spewers from pre-formed building blocks. (Medium level). > 3. Build their own building blocks to suit their own desire/dream/whim etc. > (Low level) > > Which is what Reaktor has. (Does the newer bubbly Max have that too?). So I > can see the original poster's point. > > > Don't get me wrong, I love Pd (I'm here aren't I??!). But I also can't wait > for it to evolve into a more user friendly and intuitive program (not at the > expense of it's simplicity though!). There'll be more of us here then. > > Or do we want to be like the Fixed-gear Cyclists? All exclusive and > haircutty??! "Well, I was using Pure Data waaaay before it could emit a > speaker beep..." > > > John. > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/attachments/20100318/2960bed6/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:30:17 +0100 > From: Pedro Oliveira <pedrolive...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [PD] video of Pd Workshop for 11 year olds > To: pd-l...@iem.kug.ac.at > Message-ID: > <980bb8d11003180330r50807d1bna8d8f60350c51...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > This is amazing. I would love to do the same, and I mean: learning Puredata > since I was a kid and/or having the opportunity to teach such young minds > the power of Pd. Inspiring. > > Way to go! > > On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Andrew Faraday <jbtur...@hotmail.com > >wrote: > > > Great to see this! I do a lot of my workshop teaching from a very basic, > > ground-up level. It's good to see that you can bring PD to that young an > > audience. Just curious, how long was this workshop overall? > > > > > From: h...@at.or.at > > > To: pd-l...@iem.kug.ac.at > > > Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:56:00 -0400 > > > Subject: [PD] video of Pd Workshop for 11 year olds > > > > > > > > > > > Here's a video of a Pd workshop I taught with 11 year old kids in New > > > York. It was amazing how they picked it up and had so little fear to > > > experiment: > > > > > > > > > http://eyebeam.org/press/media/videos/an-introduction-to-electronic-soundscape-design > > > > > > .hc > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more > > > direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, > > > it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > ------------------------------ > > Do you want a Hotmail account? 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