--- On Thu, 3/18/10, Marco Donnarumma <de...@thesaddj.com> wrote:
From: Marco Donnarumma <de...@thesaddj.com>
Subject: Re: [PD] Pd, Max/Msp, Reaktor, Plogue Bidule... How do these compare?
To: "Jonathan Wilkes" <jancs...@yahoo.com>
Cc: quietdi...@gmail.com, pd-list@iem.at
Date: Thursday, March 18, 2010, 6:38 PM
>Hi Jonathan,
>I think it can be, of course it is not for everybody. it was for me too :9
>
>However, as somebody already answered, few things could improve the beg >phase
>of a learning curve.
>The plugin introduced in Pd 0.43 which shows a category dropdown menu >which
>can be used to recall objects in a easier way and _above all_ >without knowing
>about their existence could be one of those enhancement.
>
>Also I wonder about a stronger background color difference among few >objects
>(i.e. a different color for [inlet]/[outlet], [send]/[receive], >or tilde
>objects).
>And probably more recent embedded tutorials to get started (and I feel
>>ashamed I still didn't contribute, many thanks to all the people who >already
>did it).
I'm almost finished revising the docs: 2.control.examples,
3.audio.examples, 4.data.structures, and 5.reference. I'll post them to
the list when I'm done (should be shortly).
>Anyway learning Pd is _not_ easy and it doesn't have to be. Hence the
>>learning curve and learning tools could be improved, but you still should >be
>aware that if you want to be able to master such a flexible computing
>>capability you need to get your hands (and mind) dirty. I think it's >worth,
>and I wouldn't like it to be easier.
I disagree-- I would like it to be easier, and it should be easier. More
time spent trying to figure out how dollarsym atoms get expanded is less
time spent making music. The last paragraph of Pd Manual 2.6.5 doesn't
reflect the current state of Pd, btw. Do items like that belong on the
bug tracker?
>Studying and Teaching I found Pd can operate kind of "natural selection" >that
>sometimes is needed in some context.
By that logic there should be even less documentation (or more outdated/
erroneous docs). But what are the characteristics that make students fit
enough to avoid death and reproduce themselves into the next generation of
the Pd learning environment? As far as I can tell, Pd crashes will remain
Pd crashes, regardless of whether the output isn't boring, so I don't
think I understand what you mean.
On a related note, a [sculch-gate~] object would be cool. (sculch = junk)
-Jonathan
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