--- On Thu, 11/25/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner <h...@at.or.at> wrote:
> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <h...@at.or.at> > Subject: Re: [PD] call for testers for L2Ork iteration of pd-extended (based > on 0.42.x branch) > To: "Jonathan Wilkes" <jancs...@yahoo.com> > Cc: "Ivica Ico Bukvic" <i...@vt.edu>, pd-list@iem.at > Date: Thursday, November 25, 2010, 5:39 AM > > On Nov 24, 2010, at 7:37 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 11/24/10, Ivica Ico Bukvic <i...@vt.edu> wrote: > > > >> From: Ivica Ico Bukvic <i...@vt.edu> > >> Subject: RE: [PD] call for testers for L2Ork > iteration of pd- > >> extended (based on 0.42.x branch) > >> To: "'Jonathan Wilkes'" <jancs...@yahoo.com> > >> Cc: pd-list@iem.at > >> Date: Wednesday, November 24, 2010, 6:29 AM > >>> Notice that both > >> [cyclone/Scope~] and [flatspace/entry] have a > >>> bug: a sudden increase in height/width by > about 5-10 > >> pixels when you > >>> initially drag to resize. This makes it > >> difficult if not > >>> impossible to make minor size changes > (especially > >> since there is no > >>> Properties dialogue). > >> > >> Good to know. I will look into this when I get > there. > >> Currently working on accelerating iemgui objects > as well as > >> exposing them to sarlo's highlighting magic. > > > > Also notice that [flatspace/entry] has a nice cursor > associated with > > resizing. > > > Ah yes, I forgot about that cursor in entry. I > actually started > working on improving the [entry] widget, and that turned > into the > tkwidgets library. I really should get the tkwidgets stuff > into some > kind of usable release. Let me know if you do this. I've got a pd patch that is a fully functioning object-search GUI which is currently using toxy. I posted some screenshots a few weeks ago. I'll switch it over to use tkwidgets if you can get the library to do the following: 1) use tab key to give focus to the next widget in the patch 2) do nonlocal send/receive names like iemguis 3) have a message to set widget focus (so it can have focus on loadbang like Google's text entry, for example) 4) output entry string as a list so that, for example, typing 'float' will output 'list float'. (Actually it could also output it as a symbol-- just as long as it doesn't output an anything.) I think I also had a short list of general bugs posted a few weeks back. -Jonathan > > .hc > > > > > > > >>> Wouldn't it be easier just to toggle the text > for that > >> menu option > >>> between "Edit mode" and "Run mode"? (That's > what > >> they're called in > >>> the manual.) > >> > >> Sure. There are other options, too, like the one > 0.43 and > >> now l2ork version of 0.42 uses by changing > option's > >> background which works visually relatively well > (albeit at > >> the expense of consistency). This is however not > the issue. > >> The issue is finding out that after an hour of > debugging the > >> problem is not in you or your code but the toolkit > you are > >> using and in 2010 for a toolkit that has been > around for > >> more than a decade that is plainly sad. > > > > Another solution: you can also place a checkbutton > labeled "Edit mode" > > directly on the menubar. > > > > Also, since we're talking about the menu changes: > Since there is a > > "Find" > > menu, I think the "Edit" menu can be shortened by > removing "Find", > > "Find > > again", and "Find last error". > > > >> > >>> How would you go about doing that? > >> > >> A: Ugly path: Isolate pd<->gui hooks and > port the > >> entire thing to Qt. > >> > >> B: Better (albeit more time-consuming) path: > clean-up code > >> first so that all objects can utilize the same > >> gobj_<whatever> calls and then do the A: > (which at > >> that point won't be nearly as ugly or difficult > to > >> maintain). > >> > >> FWIW, my first ever GUI app was RTMix I did back > in 2001 > >> and it was (and remains) the ugliest hack ever > (basically I > >> tried to learn how to program doing that app). > Yet, the fact > >> remains even in 2001 qt was way better than what > Tk is > >> today. Another advantage is avoiding socket > bottlenecks as > >> the entire thing could be done simply in C. > License-wise it > >> should be fine and cross-platform-wise miles ahead > of > >> Tcl/Tk. Heck, you could even throw in Qt for > mobile devices > >> for good measure since that is apparently hot item > these > >> days. > >> > >> That said, I need some more time working with Pd > code > >> before I can undertake this. Perhaps more > importantly, I > >> just need a generous, uninterrupted chunk of time > to do > >> this. > >> > >> Best wishes, > >> > >> Ico > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pd-list@iem.at > mailing list > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > "[T]he greatest purveyor of violence in the world today > [is] my own > government." - Martin Luther King, Jr. > > > > _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
