--- On Wed, 2/2/11, patko <colet.patr...@free.fr> wrote:
> From: patko <colet.patr...@free.fr> > Subject: Re: [PD] Am I alone? > To: "Jonathan Wilkes" <jancs...@yahoo.com> > Cc: "pd-list" <pd-list@iem.at> > Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 12:37 PM > Music is something we can have > permenantly in the mind, and this is actually hidden from > anyone point of view, > no one would be actually ridiculous by generating music > with brain (Can you say that about chicken dance?). I chose the example of the Chicken Dance exactly because it is ridiculous, so I agree with you, but fail to see the relevance. Also-- what do you mean by point of view? If you mean a visualization of the activity, I suppose I could also say a dancer can imagine their own Chicken Dance in kinesthetic terms, quite separate from any sound or image. > > Tools have been developped to reproduce this music for > sharing a projection around a consensus that is different > following different social groups. We're just trying not to > be alone. What do you mean when you say "this music"? > > If you play didjeridoo your brain will reproduce sounds of > didjeridoo as well as melodies or any kind of language, > where accurateness will depends of the the understanding of > the mind that is trying to reproduce it. > > Listeners might need to be educated but I have some > reasons to doubt about it, a baby for example would rather > get comfortable with smooth, nice music that uses to follow > the rules of intelligent structures rather than weird noises > coming out from industrail machines or randomly tuned > synthetisers (rather that things we are undergoing). > > At the other side, a too well educated listener might get > bored when melodies always follow the same rules, like if we > always take the same road, with same conditions, that's > certainly why composers came to arrhythmia, dodecaphonism, > serial and spectral music, for breaking the rules. > > But like in everything there is a need for an equilibrium. > Breaking the rule for just breaking the rule have no > interest if the rule have not been deployed along a musical > piece, if the composer or the interpret don't navigate in > and out of the rule, musicality can easyly loose it's > interest to be listened. There is no interest to play out of > tune if there is no tune at all. > > Also there is not idea *behind* music, music *is* the > idea. It depends on how you define "idea behind music". I believe matju means the process that led to music getting produced, or written, or whatever. In that case the idea is not the music. > > And anyway, anytime, music is the best. > > ----- "Jonathan Wilkes" <jancs...@yahoo.com> > a écrit : > > > Reasonable Kate: Have you ever heard of the Chicken > Dance? > > Questionable Chris: There is no such thing as the > Chicken Dance. The > > Chicken Dance is not a thing at all but an activity, > something that > > people > > do. > > > > Sad irony: Chris ends up _not_ dancing that night. > > > > -Jonathan > > > > --- On Wed, 2/2/11, J. Simon van der Walt <tedthetrum...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > From: J. Simon van der Walt <tedthetrum...@gmail.com> > > > Subject: Re: [PD] Am I alone? > > > To: pd-list@iem.at > > > Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 6:46 AM > > > On 2 February 2011 03:13, Jonathan > > > Wilkes <jancs...@yahoo.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > But we're not talking about the man, we're > talking > > > about the music. > > > > > > ‘There is no such thing as music. Music is not > a thing at > > > all but an > > > activity, something that people do.’ > > > > > > Christopher Small (1998) ‘Musicking: The > Meanings of > > > Performing and Listening’ > > > > > > -- > > > J. Simon van der Walt - Composer > > > www.jsimonvanderwalt.com > > > +44 (0) 7905 270 198 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pd-list@iem.at > > > mailing list > > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pd-list@iem.at > mailing list > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > -- > Patrice Colet > _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list