I feel I want to put a quote here:
"Immanuel Kant said that there are two things, that dont have to mean anything. One is music and the other is laughter." John Cage On 03/21/2011 02:49 PM, Matt Barber wrote: >> >>> If you want a shortcut, take the Modernist approach-- you just >>> completely disregard the aesthetic/cultural/social context in which the >>> "art" is made, reimagine the "art" as a self-contained, closed "work", >>> and just assume that every "artist" in the world is either another >>> modernist or some primitive outgrowth of a particular process that can be >>> data mined to add a new layer of complexity to a future modernist >>> project. >> >> I don't object, but for some people, this is exactly the type of thing >> that could cause disillusion. Like, for the person who started this >> thread, perhaps. >> For me, that would just be one of many approaches. Not something as >> fundamental as an ideology, not that we need to define one. >> > > > The "what is music" question is the first thing we discuss in my > undergraduate composition courses. I usually find that kind of > discussion rather crass, but it's important to have it with students > who have little experience with "modern" music beyond Rachmaninov. I > have them read some Wittgenstein -- the famous passages at the > beginning of the philosophical investigations where he talks about > language games and then asks "what is a game?" and talks about "family > resemblances." The idea is to explode the essentialist position, which > amounts to having tons of sufficient criteria but almost no necessary > ones. Then I'm able to refer to the idea throughout the semester when > they're inclined not to think of say, music by Ligeti or Berio as > music. > > But really, the whole discussion feels pretty distasteful. > > Matt > > _______________________________________________ > Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list