>________________________________ > From: Miller Puckette <m...@ucsd.edu> >To: Jonathan Wilkes <jancs...@yahoo.com> >Cc: Hans-Christoph Steiner <h...@at.or.at>; "pd-list@iem.at" <pd-list@iem.at> >Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 3:59 PM >Subject: Re: [PD] arraysize WAS apt.puredata.info is back! > >Sorry to further complicate this - > >I'm now trying to design a multipurpose object "array" for pd >vanilla that would allow one to say [array size] and use "table" or >"data structure" arrays intercahngeably.
Interesting. Will this allow a data structure array to be used by [tab*~] objects? That's one thing that would make ds arrays very valuable (think of all the queries to the list about how to get different colored arrays, for example) but I never figured out an easy way to do it. BTW, I've got a patch somewhere that did mouseover/mouseout notifications to [struct] but I can't seem to find it now. I also tried outputting pointer x/y location with "click" events to [struct] but couldn't get it working right for GOP stuff. -Jonathan > >I think though, that rather than marking arraysize as "obsolete" one >could simply note that it has an equivalent available in Pd vanilla - >that need carry no value judgement as to whether people should be using >vanilla or extended. I don't use Pd Vanilla, but that's irrelevant because [expr] is available in both Vanilla and Extended. Actually I think "obsolete" and "deprecated" are ill-suited-- it's an object that was designed because someone either didn't know you could already do that in Pd or ignored that fact for some reason. -Jonathan > >cheers >M > >On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 12:23:35PM -0700, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: >> >________________________________ >> > From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <h...@at.or.at> >> >To: Jonathan Wilkes <jancs...@yahoo.com> >> >Cc: "pd-list@iem.at" <pd-list@iem.at> >> >Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 3:03 PM >> >Subject: arraysize WAS apt.puredata.info is back! >> > >> > >> > >> >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> >Hash: SHA256 >> > >> >If someone wants to write patches that work on vanilla anywhere, >> then there is a point. >> >> _Everybody_ wants to write patches that work on vanilla everywhere. >> >> When we can't we try to figure out a course of action, but when we >> can (without employing wild hacks) we should. >> >> >> > If people are already using Pd-extended or >> Debian then I honestly don't see the point, arraysize is already >> there, like many other externals. >> >> It's like you wrote above. People _do_ want patches to be as cross-platform >> as possible. (Not if.) >> >> >> > >> >For me, apt-get install pd-arraysize is far easier than trying to >> remember that [expr] trick. And thankfully we can write externals, >> so we can have choice. :-) >> >> If it were a wild hack I'd agree, but it's not. It is a standard operator >> for >> [expr] that's been there for ages and is clearly documented. >> >> And who is this mythical user that looks to the Debian repositories >> to figure out how to do something in a programming language? >> (Hm, I'm not getting audio output, let's open up Synaptic and search >> 20,000 mostly non-related packages for a solution...) >> >> -Jonathan >> >> >> > >> >.hc >> > >> >On 09/27/2012 03:00 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: >> >> That feature comes at the expense of compatibility, which >> >> normally wouldn't be an issue _except_ that Pd >> >> Vanilla already has the same functionality. So let's >> encourage >> >> use of the more compatible way using [expr], which is >> >> clearly documented and supports the _exact_ same features >> >> as arraysize. >> >> >> >> -Jonathan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> ________________________________ >> >>> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <h...@at.or.at> >> >>> To: pd-list@iem.at >> >>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:24 PM >> >>> Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] apt.puredata.info is >> back! >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> IMHO, arraysize is very useful because it has a memorable >> name. "I >> >> > need to find the size of an array... oh, [arraysize]". >> >> >> >> .hc >> >> >> >> On 09/27/2012 02:13 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: >> >> >>> Please change the description for the package >> >> >>> "pd-arraysize" >> >> >>> >> >> >>> "This object is deprecated. Use [expr >> size("array-name")] >> >> >>> which works out of the box for Pd Extended, Pd >> Vanilla, >> >> >>> and Pd-l2ork." >> >> >>> >> >> >>> -Jonathan >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >>>> From: IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoel...@iem.at> >> >> >>>> To: pd-annou...@iem.at >> >> >>>> Cc: >> >> >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 9:13 AM >> >> >>>> Subject: [PD] [PD-announce] >> apt.puredata.info is back! >> >> >>>> >> >> >>> last night hans and me finally setup a >> replacement machine >> >> > for >> >> >>> apt.puredata.info[1], the ultimate source for >> Pd-extended on >> >> >>> Debian-based systems (Debian, Ubuntu, Li >> >> >>> fgmasdfnux/Mint,...)[2]. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> it is now hosted on the puredata.info >> portal/mailinglist >> >> > server, >> >> >>> courtesy of iem. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> fgmasdf >> >> >>> IOhannes >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> [1] http://apt.puredata.info/ >> >> >>> [2] http://puredata.info/docs/faq/debian >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >>>> Pd-announce mailing list >> >> >>>> pd-annou...@iem.at >> >> >>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >>>> Pd-list@iem.at mailing list >> >> >>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> >> >>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> >> >>>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >>> Pd-list@iem.at mailing list >> >> >>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> >> >>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> >> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Pd-list@iem.at mailing list >> >>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> >>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> > >> >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) >> >Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org >> >Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ >> > >> >iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJQZKLqAAoJEJ8P5Yc3S76BpMwP/ipER+0Af2ZQ+ruexNeN0KUq >> >/giclGGz9Gg7yUmKYcrW369ko9UqRXmxQGAY2HHbBUWuWo6lWQ2XD+RKEVkUN9lz >> >w78S/gXb28FHzyiiRAtibL6Q2pYtyb8VebUW+iiLTtWnkzjbIKO6iPE3lsIsSYzK >> >x4y6cwTRNYcWM7UO7Ja0DpZie7/sAgkUNYlCMwzfugFZRZ91bW9Xf9rNovxZu9lH >> >py7mVFJ9iUI2h6Nyzpvdvp95ukfDneQK4JgmbXLWEdYhMGZd2uokeLgsohfP89Sf >> >e60Pv1s9YuiarA1MBBudm15egWHLbhLVU1vb3VH4uOpZXh3Uf5u3z/luo73T+udx >> >RzInWh0Su0WSmnWYU4yABo+F0eFAGNDH+AxdEdtxsKm0X3AP7RFZaqUmdut96NE9 >> >NMMd7UKytG8zKs+a6hCOLqqL/DrBxpYmwrxAhPNRd8hMA+WmWxISyhrBoHsgOjb+ >> >oHIccb6xUVmg5wafyuQMqTaPtTtDt2y3DCyb4gcOGEoHTXJcztA7nd2RYGnf0eZ5 >> >0jfix5ykyP/Wau4dlyNT4J569BgS0XQkZw0RlP2mIAJose6pGpDtKpwvzSEZrleE >> >i6ZvCbC3NGzfY4HFhS6XcXzXWDTmHFLb17gvQNyzjQwKTgvzxJ58YEswUTM5LXVD >> >Q8VO11kW70gDLmPU/GnL >> >=uAcd >> >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pd-list@iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list