It is already linked from that site. On Sep 23, 2014 12:27 PM, "Dan Wilcox" <danomat...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe the software portal could be a subdomain or integrated on the > pure-data.info site along with vanilla & extended. > > On Sep 23, 2014, at 12:18 PM, Ivica Bukvic <i...@vt.edu> wrote: > > True. It is trying to be to many things-- an ensemble and a software > portal. > On Sep 23, 2014 12:04 PM, "Dan Wilcox" <danomat...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Yes, this is great news. I didn't mean to sound pessimistic earlier, just >> realistic. >> >> My 2cents, though is that the l2ork website is hard to navigate :D >> >> On Sep 23, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Ivica Bukvic <i...@vt.edu> wrote: >> >> Well, there is a concerted effort on the pd-l2ork side of things. We now >> technically have 3 devs contributing code regularly to git and 3 additional >> contributors. >> On Sep 23, 2014 11:14 AM, "Dan Wilcox" <danomat...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I had to bring up semantics because "developer" means alot of different >>> things to alot of different people. >>> >>> Also, I didn't want to bring up vanilla versus non-vanilla, just >>> pointing out that the number of people who could help Hans put out a new >>> version of extended is rather low. IMO a languishing extended is bad news >>> for Pd in general as it's the go to distribution for most people using Pd >>> ... but that's probably for another debate. We all work on what's important >>> to us, I'm just sad again to see that the priorities don't seem to match up >>> with a concerted joint effort, at least as compared to my experience >>> working with OpenFrameworks. But of course what's considered a "concerted, >>> joint effort" is also up to interpretation :D >>> >>> Hopefully we'll have a development meet up at some point soon. >>> >>> I personally feel guilty seeing things like this come up because I have >>> the *ability* to do it, but I don't have the time when trying to balance >>> life, work, & art. Honestly, this is when I know I'm probably getting in >>> too deep ... >>> >>> This is why I suggested "graduate students". At this point, up keep and >>> versioning should be supported by some sort of institution, if possible, >>> and by people who could be rotated in and out. >>> >>> On Sep 23, 2014, at 10:57 AM, Ivica Bukvic <i...@vt.edu> wrote: >>> >>> Well, I guess you can call me a "developer," whatever that means--I >>> don't care that much about titles. Yet, I would argue that as far as low >>> level stuff is concerned in recent years pd-l2ork has certainly pushed the >>> envelope in terms of core development. Even the feature that has earned me >>> the title in quotations delves so deep into the core that currently it >>> cannot be implemented in either vanilla or extended without significant >>> changes even though it retains full backwards compatibility. I would also >>> argue it is essential and offers a slew of features that are unavailable in >>> any other implementation of presets. >>> >>> Pd-l2ork's greatest deterrent is exclusivity to Linux, which was >>> initially a conscious decision to allow for faster development while >>> addressing the lack of manpower. But that is about to change once we >>> complete port to Qt library. We already transitioned to Tkpath quite a >>> while ago which allowed us to use a full SVG-based canvas, so I have no >>> doubt we will be able to do this again. Once this is done, we won't have to >>> circumnavigate exceptions Tk library requires in order to be compliant with >>> different platforms and I would argue in turn that will result in faster >>> development. So, if you are really interested in pushing the development of >>> non-vanilla pd I think you should heed some of Jonathan's advice and look >>> for ways how community can work together in combining the "best of" and >>> engaging developers and "developers" alike who have shown dedication to the >>> cause. But before that can be accomplished, the community should consider >>> agreeing on design choices. For instance, pd-l2ork came into existence >>> because it focuses on more nimble development at the expense of potential >>> loss of backwards compatibility (even though after 4 years of development >>> the only incompatibility we infatuated is correcting buggy positioning of >>> iemgui objects, which is cosmetic in nature) because a good chunk of that >>> compatibility stems from buggy implementations that stuck around long >>> enough that they became a part of the standard (e.g. iemgui's buggy >>> positioning of objects that are arbitrarily offset from their x and y >>> positions, as reported by the pd script), which is unfortunate. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Ico >>> On Sep 23, 2014 9:21 AM, "Dan Wilcox" <danomat...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I disagree. Your example lists what? 2 more developers? I'm talking >>>> about "developers" as in people working the C code, build scripts, tcl/tk >>>> etc aka people who could, theoretically, help push out a new Pd-extended >>>> release. True, we have plenty of people working on externals, but this is a >>>> problem for someone who can go deeper. >>>> >>>> I still maintain that the number of low level developers to overall >>>> users (non-developers) is relatively low. >>>> >>>> On Sep 23, 2014, at 6:00 AM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote: >>>> >>>> However, your description of the user/developer ratio doesn't ring true >>>> to me. There's actually a surplus of developers and development energy-- I >>>> count two implementations of presets in the last year or two (in Pd-l2ork >>>> and the Chocolate et Coffee lib) which are in addition to however many >>>> already exist on svn and the Pd forum. >>>> >>>> >>>> -------- >>>> Dan Wilcox >>>> @danomatika >>>> danomatika.com >>>> robotcowboy.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list >>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>>> >>>> >>> -------- >>> Dan Wilcox >>> @danomatika >>> danomatika.com >>> robotcowboy.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -------- >> Dan Wilcox >> @danomatika >> danomatika.com >> robotcowboy.com >> >> >> >> >> >> > -------- > Dan Wilcox > @danomatika > danomatika.com > robotcowboy.com > > > > > >
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