> > > If you are determined to update all the docs to reflect this change, don't > forget the PD_META which currently requires the use of 0 as the first > inlet. Updating tooltips will also require changes accommodate for this > alteration. >
I did not attack me so... Rename in there have some implication? If no, I will start to rename... > Best, > > Ico > > > On 3/17/2016 1:13 PM, Esteban Viveros wrote: > > Thanks Roman for explanations.. good trim the edges of naming things in > order to eliminate future confusion. > > Ivica, I'm thinking in order to provide a relatively see and understand > for help patch user. Is really necessary expose a new user to this > problematics? > > I'm thinking which not every pd user must be a programmer (at least > initially), and probably be an artist... (perhaps), thinking this I > understand the principal goal of the user is to make thinks work, and to > use the send a message to this object he needs do use $1 $2 $3, if he use > $0 pd will do other thing.. So name outlets in Help from 0 require one more > step for who are learning many more steps... (please correct me if I'm > wrong with regard to the behavior pd) > > Finally, open and edit patch by patch I'm already doing.. Rename inlets > and outlets I can make like meditation! :P > > I'm question for these because I know pdL2ork have other libraries and > have change something like this have consequences. But anyway, if needed I > can modify some more patches. :) Only it will have some time. > > Cheers > > > Em qui, 17 de mar de 2016 às 13:26, Ivica Ico Bukvic <i...@vt.edu> > escreveu: > >> Here's my $0-cents worth. This is an eternal struggle in the world'o'comp >> sci. We need to wrap our heads around the fact that 0 is the 1st number in >> any kind of data container, whether it be value or ordinal position. Yet, >> as humans we prefer 1 to be that first number, reserving 0 as the special >> case value. So, you could make the case either way arguing for consistency, >> intuitiveness, aliens, whatever. Another consideration within the pd* >> ecosystem is that it is 0-centric, meaning things tend to start with $0 >> (patch instance) before they get to $1. Then again, $1 refers to the first >> arg, so you could argue it may be inconsistent... etc. etc. etc. >> >> On the practical side, renaming inlets would mean going through every >> last help file and ensuring it has been updated accordingly, otherwise you >> would be just adding to more confusion as newcomers learn that some help >> files refer to the first inlet as 0 and others as 1... >> >> >> On 3/17/2016 11:49 AM, Esteban Viveros wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I'm with Porres in Cyclone maintenance working on revision of some Help >> patches. >> >> The question is: Why count inlets and outlets from zero if Pd user have >> to call inlets and outlets from $1 $2 $3... ? For help patch user don't be >> more convenient enumerate inlets and outlets starting at number 1? >> >> Cheers >> >> >> _______________________________________________pd-l...@lists.iem.at mailing >> list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> <http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list> >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> > >
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