I'm really really convinced maintaining actual numeration of inlets/outlets in help patches in cyclone ever more.... Max use the same numeration. And it really designed to be different of messaging numeration.
Thanks of everyone for patience :) Em qui, 17 de mar de 2016 às 19:05, Ivica Bukvic <i...@vt.edu> escreveu: > > On Mar 17, 2016 2:03 PM, "Esteban Viveros" <emvive...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >> If you are determined to update all the docs to reflect this change, > don't forget the PD_META which currently requires the use of 0 as the first > inlet. Updating tooltips will also require changes accommodate for this > alteration. > > > > > > I did not attack me so... Rename in there have some implication? If no, > I will start to rename... > > This is where tooltips pull their documentation information when you hover > with your mouse over inlets, outlets, or the object itself. These changes > will require changes in C, GUI, and may also affect compatibility between > vanilla and pd-l2ork. My advice would be at this point not to worry about > it and focus on other aspects until we think this through a little bit. > > > > >> > >> Best, > >> > >> Ico > >> > >> > >> On 3/17/2016 1:13 PM, Esteban Viveros wrote: > >>> > >>> Thanks Roman for explanations.. good trim the edges of naming things > in order to eliminate future confusion. > >>> > >>> Ivica, I'm thinking in order to provide a relatively see and > understand for help patch user. Is really necessary expose a new user to > this problematics? > >>> > >>> I'm thinking which not every pd user must be a programmer (at least > initially), and probably be an artist... (perhaps), thinking this I > understand the principal goal of the user is to make thinks work, and to > use the send a message to this object he needs do use $1 $2 $3, if he use > $0 pd will do other thing.. So name outlets in Help from 0 require one more > step for who are learning many more steps... (please correct me if I'm > wrong with regard to the behavior pd) > >>> > >>> Finally, open and edit patch by patch I'm already doing.. Rename > inlets and outlets I can make like meditation! :P > >>> > >>> I'm question for these because I know pdL2ork have other libraries and > have change something like this have consequences. But anyway, if needed I > can modify some more patches. :) Only it will have some time. > >>> > >>> Cheers > >>> > >>> > >>> Em qui, 17 de mar de 2016 às 13:26, Ivica Ico Bukvic <i...@vt.edu> > escreveu: > >>>> > >>>> Here's my $0-cents worth. This is an eternal struggle in the > world'o'comp sci. We need to wrap our heads around the fact that 0 is the > 1st number in any kind of data container, whether it be value or ordinal > position. Yet, as humans we prefer 1 to be that first number, reserving 0 > as the special case value. So, you could make the case either way arguing > for consistency, intuitiveness, aliens, whatever. Another consideration > within the pd* ecosystem is that it is 0-centric, meaning things tend to > start with $0 (patch instance) before they get to $1. Then again, $1 refers > to the first arg, so you could argue it may be inconsistent... etc. etc. > etc. > >>>> > >>>> On the practical side, renaming inlets would mean going through every > last help file and ensuring it has been updated accordingly, otherwise you > would be just adding to more confusion as newcomers learn that some help > files refer to the first inlet as 0 and others as 1... > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 3/17/2016 11:49 AM, Esteban Viveros wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi, > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm with Porres in Cyclone maintenance working on revision of some > Help patches. > >>>>> > >>>>> The question is: Why count inlets and outlets from zero if Pd user > have to call inlets and outlets from $1 $2 $3... ? For help patch user > don't be more convenient enumerate inlets and outlets starting at number 1? > >>>>> > >>>>> Cheers > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list > >>>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list > >>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > >> > >> >
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