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Hi, 

Lori again. I'll give this a shot...


#1 - I don't want to go into all the pricing details here. That should
be between you and your Adobe rep; or your customer and their Adobe rep.
Please see this page for instructions.
http://www.adobe.com/products/server/products_purchase.html. Of course,
if you don't get a timely response for one reason or another - I'm here
to help out.

#2 - There are two models:
        - Known User. Like a workgroup, an agency, a company, a
division, etc. 
Example: Mid-size manufacturing company has about 2,000 employees. They
have business forms (Expense Reports, Travel Authorizations, Vacation
Requests, etc.). Their IT guy says the desktop image can contain Adobe
Reader, but he doesn't want to deploy more software (like Approval or
Acrobat). This company could license ADSfRE to enable their employees to
use Adobe Reader to fill & save or fill & email these forms.
        - Unknown User. Like posting the file on the Internet.
Example: IRS use of ADSfRE is the Unknown User. Their audience consists
of all taxpayers in US. They don't know them, they don't know their
computers, and they can't dictate any software on these folks systems
that would incur a cost. They use ADSfRE which will enable anyone with
Adobe Reader to fill & save the forms.

#3 - Approval 5.0.5 is still for sale. No plans at this time to
discontinue it. The functionality you get from ADSfRE is very similar to
that of Approval. So it's a business decision - do you want to put
Approval on everyone's desktop, or do you want to buy a server to enable
the forms.


lori 


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Lori DiFurio from Adobe recently commented on this list about Adobe
Document Server with Reader Extensions as a means of enabling save
functionality on a PDF by PDF basis, where the PDFs are consumed by
Acrobat Reader.  In reading the literature on the product, it would seem
an alternative to client/server and scripting approches to accomplishing
the same goal.  Here are a few observations/questions I have regarding
Document Server that other listmember might find interesting, if Adobe
and/or other listmembers can comment:

1) What are the available business models for licensing the Server
product and extending the functionality of PDFs to be consumed in
Reader.  No pricing information, or even discussion of business models
(per PDF, per organization, per proc/cpu) information appears on the
Adobe website, and the feedback I get from clients is that its difficult
to impossible to find someone at Adobe who knows the product and can
comment on how to buy it - this is not my experience, as I haven't
contacted Adobe, but this is my client's perception if not reality.

2) Is the product licensed in such a manner to facilitate an
organization adding rights to PDFs to be circulated outside the
organization owning the Document Server?  In reviewing the licensing
agreement embedded in the Evaluation version of the product available
for download from Adobe, Extranet-types of implementation and
distribution of rights-enhanced PDFs appears to be expressly prohibited
- like three different ways.  If this is the case, is it proper to
assume this is an Intranet-only solution, and if so, how does Adobe plan
to address the need for standalone saving of Data and PDFs (i.e. no
client/server roundtrips).

3) Adobe has minimized the visibility of Approval in recent months, and
has been quiet on the plans for the product - it does not appear to play
a key role in the recently repositioned Adobe world.  If this is the
case, as folks are assuming the product is being prepared for
discontinuation, how might an organization gain the technical benefits
that Approval offered, with or without Document Server.

Thanks in advance for the discussion/answers, particularly if offered by
Adobe.

Regards,


Chris Church
Technology Planning & Consulting
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