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Yes, there was at least one such set of joboptions with Acrobat 4.
But there is also one set of joboptions with Acrobat 6 without
embedding as well. I would certainly not recommend such joboptions
with any version of Acrobat.
And anyone who used PDFWriter pretty much got what they deserved! (8^)>
With regards to the "headless Distiller" that came with PageMaker 6.5
years back, that was Distiller 3 which obviously did not allow
embedding of the "base 13 + Dingbats" fonts.
- Dov
At 3/30/2004 08:00 AM, Rich Sprague wrote:
>They were embeddable, but wasn't the default setting for one or more of the
>job options set "not to embed?" And how could one embed the fonts with the
>PDFWriter?
>
>I also remember spending quite a bit of time trying to help a chap who had
>both Acrobat 4 and the headless Distiller in Pagemaker installed on his
>system. He had nothing but problems with fonts (Windows). I think it had
>something to do with the Adobe font list.
>
>At the time I was doing most of my work on the Mac, and yes, I remember
>those problems, too. But, there were big-time technical issues when Adobe
>switched from Helvetica/Times to Arial/Times New Roman.
>
>Rich
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>Behalf Of Dov Isaacs
>Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 7:33 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Cc: Rich Sprague
>Subject: RE: [PDF] Converting Word Docs to PDFs
>
>PS: There was no "problem" with Acrobat 4 and "system fonts" if what you
>mean by "system fonts" are the "base 13 + Dingbats."
>There has always been a big problem with Macintoshes that had both the Adobe
>Times, Helvetica, Courier, Symbol, and Zapf Dingbats Type 1 fonts installed
>along with the conflicting Apple-supplied TrueType fonts of the exact same
>names (but obviously not the exact same font).
>
> - Dov
>
>
>At 3/30/2004 07:19 AM, Dov Isaacs wrote:
>
>>Beginning with Acrobat 4, all fonts that permitted embedding (i.e., not
>>TrueType/OpenType with fsType set for "no embedding") were embeddable
>>including the legendary "base 13 + Dingbats."
>>
>>A PDF file that doesn't have the fonts it references embedded is a
>>disaster-in-waiting!
>>
>> - Dov
>>
>>
>>
>>At 3/30/2004 07:02 AM, Rich Sprague wrote:
>>
>>>Is it my foggy memory, or isn't this advice a major shift in theory
>>>from version 4? As I recall, at the time the theory was not to embed
>>>the system fonts in order to make a PDF smaller.
>>>
>>>I agree with both Dov and Leonard that one should always embed the
>>>fonts (which is the default in AB 5 and 6). But there were, and are,
>>>problems with Acrobat 4 and the system fonts.
>>>
>>>As I stated in my other post, the best bet is to upgrade AB and leave
>>>the font problems in the past.
>>>
>>>Rich
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>On Behalf Of Dov Isaacs
>>>Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 1:40 PM
>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>Subject: RE: [PDF] Converting Word Docs to PDFs
>>>
>>>
>>>At 3/29/2004 12:30 PM, Rich Sprague wrote:
>>>>A. System fonts (Times New Roman and Arial) do not need to be embedded.
>>>
>>>I disagree vehemently. Current versions of Acrobat make no assumptions
>>>about font availability on the receiving end. If you don't embed a
>>>font and you use any characters other than a subset of Western Latin
>>>characters, the Distiller will indeed attempt to embed whatever font
>>>you are using and if it fails and the exact same font isn't on the
>>>recipient's system, you are risking their inability to read what you
>>>produced. By the way, although the Times New Roman, Arial, and Courier
>>>New fonts under Windows have over 1400 distinct character definitions,
>>>the Macintosh versions contain less than 300 such definitions, for
>example!
>>>
>>>Best rule is to always embed fonts regardless of how "common"
>>>you think the font happens to be! No "ifs", "ands", or "buts"
>>>about it!
>>>
>>> - Dov
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