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On Jan 10, 2004, at 8:04 PM, Rebekah Gonzalez wrote:

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pentax-discuss-d Digest Volume 04 : Issue 121

Today's Topics:
  Re: pentax-discuss-d Digest V04 #116  [ Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
  RE: Rain Picture                      [ "Len Paris"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
  Re: Firmware 1.1 good but not perfec  [ Mark Roberts
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
  Re: Is there an analog only Pentax l  [ Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
  Re: Is there an analog only Pentax l  [ "frank theriault"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
  "Cloudy" filter                       [ Shel Belinkoff
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
  Re: Rain Picture                      [ Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
  Re: Moonshots                         [ "Herb Chong"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
  Re: pentax-discuss-d Digest V04 #116  [ Steve Jolly  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
  Re: Is there an analog only Pentax l  [ Shel Belinkoff
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
  Re: Lens for *istD                    [ "Herb Chong"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
  Re: A couple of istD questions        [ "Herb Chong"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
  Re: Lens for *istD                    [ "Herb Chong"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
  Re: A few more istD questions         [ "Herb Chong"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
  Re: "Cloudy" filter                   [ "Bill D. Casselberry"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
  Re: A few more istD questions         [ "Herb Chong"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
  Re: "Cloudy" filter                   [ Shel Belinkoff
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
  Re: Now that the ist-D firmware has   [ "Herb Chong"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
  Re: A couple of istD questions        [ "Herb Chong"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
  Re: Now that the ist-D firmware has   [ "Herb Chong"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
  Re: digital imaging question          [ "Herb Chong"
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  Re: Question or better yet, idea      [ "Herb Chong"
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  Re: File properties                   [ Stan Halpin
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  Re: digital imaging question          [ "Herb Chong"
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  Re: FAT                               [ "Herb Chong"
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  Re: A couple of istD questions        [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
  Re: digital imaging question          [ "Herb Chong"
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  Re: "Cloudy" filter                   [ "Lasse Karlsson"
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  Re: FAT                               [ "Herb Chong"
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 23:57:37 +0000
From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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On 9/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

UK: £550
US: $600
That seems too close in exchange rate.  Or, are you expecting the
dollar to gain on the pound that much over the next year, Cotty?
Fred
Fred, follow a few UK eBay auctions - you'll get my drift



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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 17:58:26 -0600
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Very nice! Great exposure, sharp as a tack, color looks great, too.   
My
monitor is calibrated.

Len
 * There's no place like 127.0.0.1

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From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 5:43 PM
To: PDML
Subject: Rain Picture
Just a quick grab shot taken earlier today ... comments welcome

http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/images/paper.html

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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 19:05:53 -0500
From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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mapson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

At 10:06 AM 9/01/2004 -0500, you wrote:
mapson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

The things I would like to have fixed :

When lens ring not at A, to have the aperture value displayed,  
instead
of  "--"

Not possible. The camera body has no way of knowing.
Z-1p knew. So, what is stopping *istD?
The *ist doesn't have the aperture sensor tab in the lens mount.  
Remove
the lens from a PZ-1p and find the tab around the two o'clock position
in the lens mount. Now remove the lens from an *ist-D and look in the
same area. It isn't there.

--
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 00:10:56 +0000
From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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On 9/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

oday's a high traffic digi-day, with the release of some
new firmwear (whatever the hell that is)
Firmware is part of the software running the electronics of the  
camera.

Firmwear is what Frank has on under his trousers during a particularly
arduous ride over those Torontonian pot-holes.


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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 19:15:37 -0500
From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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If I'd have really cared to know, I'd have found out.  <vbg>

But thanks for the, er, colourful simile, Shel. <g>

cheers,
frank
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The
pessimist
fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer




From: Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 15:21:50 -0800
Firmware is software on Viagra ...

frank theriault wrote:

[...]
already mentioned, today's a high traffic digi-day, with the release
of
some
new firmwear (whatever the hell that is) only a few hours old.

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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 16:19:02 -0800
From: Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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The K18/3.5 has a few built-in filters, as i imagine a few other  
lenses
have as well.  One is a "cloudy" filter.  OK, I'm ignorant: what does  
a
cloudy filter do?

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 00:18:13 +0000
From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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On 9/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

Just a quick grab shot taken earlier today ... comments welcome

http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/images/paper.html
Cracking great shot. Love it. I wish I could do street as good as you  
and
Frank T.



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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 19:20:52 -0500
From: "Herb Chong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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there are adapters out there for K to T mount and then many telescopes
that
take a T adapter. you'll have to check to see if yours is one of them.

Herb....
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I have a basic telescope (refractor - Tasco 525 power telescope).  
Anyone
with experience and/or knowledge if I could marry it with the *istD?
THEN
I
will show you almost-Hubble quality pics ;-D
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 00:30:54 +0000
From: Steve Jolly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Cotty wrote:
UK: £550
US: $600
That seems too close in exchange rate.  Or, are you expecting the
dollar to gain on the pound that much over the next year, Cotty?
Fred, follow a few UK eBay auctions - you'll get my drift
Indeed, curiously, UK auction prices seem to be generally the same as  
US
ones plus VAT, Import Duty and trans-Atlantic shipping costs.  I  
suspect
economics at work rather than material for a conspiracy theory though.
Older and grumpier men than I call it "rip-off Britain" :-)

S

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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 16:36:20 -0800
From: Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I use an MX's and LX's, and a range of K-mount lenses from 18.mm to
200mm.
Which 50/1.4 do you have?
I'm not crazy about the K35/2.0 ... oh, it's a fine optic when stopped
down a bit, and i even like it wide open, but it's a little large for  
my
taste.  Much prefer the smaller size of the K35/3.5.  If you can find
one, the K30/2.8 is a great compromise between size and weight and
aperture, and, IMO, a better lens all around than the K35/2.0 ...  
since
I've gotten the 30mm I rarely use the 28 or either of the 35's.

The K24/2.8 is another fine lens, although methinks it's a bit wide  
for
good "street photography," but I guess that depends on your  
definition of
the practice and your shooting style.

I've had numerous 85mm lenses and settled on the K85/1.8 for its size,
sharpness, speed, and weight.  I loved the M85/2.0, and I'd have it  
yet
had not a lady friend talked me out of it ... damn!
However, as much as I liked the lens (it's nice and small and more  
than
adequate in sharpness) the K85/1.8 was the lens I almost always  
reached
for.

If you get an 85mm, you might want to make the jump to the K120/2.8.
It's a very nice lens, yes siree!, and while it has a similar optical
formula to the K105/2.8 (which I've loved since the 1960's version in
Super Takumar screw mount format), I think the bokeh is a little  
better,
perhaps because of the longer focal length.

A good all-around kit for street photography might be the 30mm, 50mm,
85mm, and the 120mm.  Those are ny choices, anyway.
Well, welcome to the list ... have phun.

Pentax wrote:

I've got an MX. Mostly I'm interested in just seeing what people have
to say about lenses. I've found some lens review sites around on the
web and many of them are compilations of comments from this list so I
figured I'd go right to the source and see what was going on.
Just started shooting with the MX again after a year of shooting
exclusively with a Rolleicord V and wanted to get a coupla lenses to
compliment the 50/1.4. Probably something shorter and something
longer with the same build quality and a similiar look and feel to
photos (good bokeh, mostly shooting at or near wide open). Something
that goes well with Tri-X for handheld, available light, street and
travel photography. Maybe the 24/2.8 and one of the 85's or 100's.
Three seems like the perfect number. Can bring them all without much
overlap. Though the K 35/2 is also appealing...
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 19:35:30 -0500
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and the upcoming Sigma 12-24/4.5-5.6.

Herb...
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Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: Lens for *istD

There is also the Sigma DA 20-40/2.8, Sigma 17-35/2.8-4, Sigma
15-30/3.5-4.5 and the Tamron AF 17-35 F/2.8-4.  Much depends on the
price you want to pay.
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 19:41:00 -0500
From: "Herb Chong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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a few cameras shoot RAW+JPG and allow controlling the amount of
compression
made to the JPEG that it also outputs.

Herb....
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Your response is seemingly contradictory.  If the istD can only shoot
one
format at a time, how can the size of the JPEG file be controlled
manually
when using RAW or TIFF formats?  Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you.
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 19:43:41 -0500
From: "Herb Chong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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the APS sensor camera will, for at least the next couple of  
generations,
be
significantly cheaper. even when you drop the word significant, it  
will be
cheaper enough that the APS sensor size will be with us for quite a  
while
yet.

Herb....
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As I understand, the lenses made for the *istD are to suit the  
smaller
sized sensor.
Should a 24mmx36mm sensor come along, would these lenses not be
obsolete?
And we could all go along using our 35mm lenses we have cherished  
for so
long.

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 19:46:56 -0500
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yes. i have done it a few times.

Herb....
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Can the *ist D format a
4GB card?
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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 16:50:02 -0800
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Shel Belinkoff wrote:
The K18/3.5 has a few built-in filters, as i imagine a few other  
lenses
have as well.  One is a "cloudy" filter.  OK, I'm ignorant: what  
does a
cloudy filter do?
probably a warming filter, like a skylight 1B
or an 81 series
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 19:54:02 -0500
From: "Herb Chong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Windows NT variants can understand a 64K cluster size and support a 4G
drive
in FAT16. this is almost never done for a variety of reasons.  
DOS-based
FAT-16 file systems support only 32K clusters sizes and so end up  
with a
maximum 2G limit. the *istD supports FAT32, whose limit is 128G, and
automatically changes over when the drive size exceeds 2G.

Herb...
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Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 8:57 AM
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Kevin,

Does this mean the camera can write to this FAT16 card of 4GB, but  
the
OS of the PC can not read beyond 2GB? No, probably it can't read it  
at
all as the cluster sizes are too big. Then why use >2GB flash cards?  
I
am confused.
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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 16:59:03 -0800
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Hmmm ... the lens also has a skylight filter built in to it, so i  
guess
maybe
it's an 81 series.  I'll look further into it now that I've a place to
start.  Thanks, Bill!
"Bill D. Casselberry" wrote:

Shel Belinkoff wrote:
The K18/3.5 has a few built-in filters, as i imagine a few other
lenses
have as well.  One is a "cloudy" filter.  OK, I'm ignorant: what  
does
a
cloudy filter do?
        probably a warming filter, like a skylight 1B
        or an 81 series
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 19:57:46 -0500
From: "Herb Chong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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more important from my point of view is that it indicates that they  
can
make
more than they have been making.

Herb....
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I say keep 'em on their toes. Seems the pressure was great enough for
them
to
solve one big problem, I'm sure they've now got a lot more potential
customers.
Let's face it there's always room for improvement.
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 19:58:46 -0500
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the DPreview site suggested the other way around.

Herb....
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The RAW convertor definitely generates TIFF and JPG files of an  
inferior
quality to the camera when you compare edge detail, this needs to be
fixed.

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 20:04:08 -0500
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i want, in conjunction with the new software release, the option to  
turn
off
the embedded JPEG in the RAW file. there is just no reason to have a  
RAW
file that is almost 4 megabytes larger than the competition for a  
given
sensor size.

Herb....
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 11:29 AM
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Definitely however I would also like a few more of the firmware
enchantments
that we've previously discussed to be implemented too. One other
firmware
item
that hasn't been mentioned to date is expansion of the range for  
auto-
bracketing. I'd like to be able to dial up +/- 3 stops or more as  
this
would
assist greatly when shooting with a view to producing HDR images.
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 20:09:45 -0500
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this gets you the most shadow detail.

Herb....
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2. bias the histogram towards the lighter tones taking care not
   no clip any highlights
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 20:11:53 -0500
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you would have to send the camera in, at least. it doesn't like there  
is
an
interface to connect to, so the camera needs to be partly  
disassembled. i
would not be surprised to see a $100 charge for such an operation.  
for a
camera that costs $300 and under, i don't see that anyone would do it.

Herb....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Boris Liberman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 12:26 PM
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Pentax has proved by giving an example that a camera with crippled
mount is not really so crippled. I wonder, whether they can produce  
an
firmware upgrade for *ist, MZ-30 and similar cameras...
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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 19:11:35 -0500
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Photoshop Elements 2 saves the exif info.

stan

Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:

On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, Bruce Dayton wrote:


Are you referring to the *istD?  All the camera settings are visible
in the EXIF information provided you have downloaded the images
without any kind of saving (just copying), they can be read with
Pentax Photo Browser.  Once a program saves the file (photoshop,  
PWP,
PSP) including rotation software, then the information you are  
wanting
to see is lost.  Best approach is to treat the original images just  
like
negatives.  Always make a copy for altering.

Not exactly true, at least in case of Photoshop. It preserves EXIF  
data
in saved files just PS must be version 7 or later. I don't know  
however
how these other programs do?

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 20:14:36 -0500
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in Photoshop CS, you would use the Levels and the Shadow/Highlight  
tool.
easier to do the normal kinds of things that photographers do,  
although
Curves is ultimately more flexible.

Herb....
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I always try to stretch the scale so that the image contains both  
areas
being close to the lightest and darkest values.  Anything else will
often seem grey.  It´s the same thing I do in the darkroom, it is  
done
by controlling both contrast and the overall exposure.  In Photoshop  
I
use the curve tool.
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 20:15:59 -0500
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no, you can format FAT32 on the *istD provided the card is > 2G.

Herb...
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Earlier it was stated operating systems don't support FAT16 over 2GB
size due to too big cluster sizes. So I would conclude from this,  
that
the *ist D can use >2GB cards if you format them first on a PC using
FAT32.
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Date: Fri,  9 Jan 2004 17:28:55 -0800
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I am with Rob here.  In-camera JPGs are better.

Quoting Herb Chong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

the DPreview site suggested the other way around.

Herb....
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The RAW convertor definitely generates TIFF and JPG files of an
inferior
quality to the camera when you compare edge detail, this needs to be
fixed.






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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 20:18:38 -0500
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if you work in 16-bit/channel mode, the destructiveness issue is  
basically
eliminated unless you apply dozens of adjustments to your images. even
then,
it may not make any difference. what people mean by destructiveness is
that
it causes posterization in the shadows. the same thing happens with  
Curves
if you are not careful. moving to 16-bits/channel makes this effect
unlikely
to happen.

Herb.....
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You can, but in any case, use an adjustment layer.  Some people feel
that
Levels is more "destructive" than curves to an image, others feel  
that
curves
gives better control.  I don't know about the first (not sure even  
what
is
meant by destructive in this sense), but the later shouldn't matter  
if
you
get
the result you want.
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 03:28:09 +0200
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The K18/3.5 has a few built-in filters, as i imagine a few other  
lenses
have as well.  One is a "cloudy" filter.  OK, I'm ignorant: what  
does a
cloudy filter do?
Direct quote from

ASAHI PENTAX FILTERS [Printed in Japan 1963.]
[...]
Cloudy
"Cuts through haze, and prevents excessive bluish results, thereby  
giving
warm tone in open shade and cloudy days. More effective haze cutter  
than the
Skylight filter."
The exposure factor is 1.5. In 1963 it was available for the 46 mm  
and 49
mm thread.
The page I am quoting from came in the box of my Pentax 49 mm Cloudy
filter, and happened to be right beside my computer as I read your  
post.
Lasse

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 20:22:21 -0500
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on average, you waste half a cluster per file. the larger the files,  
the
smaller the percentage.

Herb....
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Yeah, I knew that FAT16 wasted more space than FAT32 for lots of  
small
files, and of course it had a much smaller limitation on max  
file/volume
size.  I thought that it also wasted space basically proportional to  
the
size of the file, i.e. small files on the average wasted space that  
was
proportionally small, but had a big impact when you had lots of them.
So don't bigger (Mb) files waste on the average the same space as a
percentage?  I.e. if you allocate a file that *just* gets into the  
next
sized cluster, isn't a large part wasted?
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