You cant conrol exposure latitude and contrast with C41
like you can with BW if you develop/expose your own BW negs.
JCO

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From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 8:56 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: black & white


So what has color photography, and more specifically, color digital
photography,  got to do with learning conventional B&W processing,
printing, and photographic techniques?

Why can't one have a close relationship with a color lab?  I do. Some of
my colleagues do.  We know everyone who works at the various labs, know
exactly how the equipment is calibrated, have their color profiles, and
I've worked with Chris on the computer to best determine the results on
some specific prints, have spenbt hours with Kevin discussing scanning
techniques, as has my friend Bill with the people at a different lab.

Are you suggesting that color does not afford complete control?  

Shel

From: Mark Stringer 
Subject: RE: black & white 
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:46:55 -0700 

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The photographer will learn about his equipment, film and lab by doing
photography and 
will adjust his processes to get better results.  Is the question
whether it is better 
to do so conciously or subconciously? I think a lot of good
photographers respond to 
their results without hands on testing, souping and printing.

B&W has always offered complete control.  Doing your own is the shortest
route to your 
desired results.  However for color most of us do not have a
relationship with a color 
lab.

Now comes digital.  More color photographers can have control over their
result and 
will find it easier to have a relationship with a lab. 

"Hey Lab, last week my print looked like this and this week my print
looks like this, 
I need consistent results." The lab will respond or we will find another
with more 
consistent results. But we don't have to give detailed instructions to
the lab.  We 
crop, adjust and produce a proof at home.  Hopefully the lab (printer)
only has to 
print the photo equally well from week to week.

Digital photography is the best thing to happen to the amateur color
photographer.  


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