You cant conrol exposure latitude and contrast with C41 like you can with BW if you develop/expose your own BW negs. JCO
-----Original Message----- From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 8:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: black & white So what has color photography, and more specifically, color digital photography, got to do with learning conventional B&W processing, printing, and photographic techniques? Why can't one have a close relationship with a color lab? I do. Some of my colleagues do. We know everyone who works at the various labs, know exactly how the equipment is calibrated, have their color profiles, and I've worked with Chris on the computer to best determine the results on some specific prints, have spenbt hours with Kevin discussing scanning techniques, as has my friend Bill with the people at a different lab. Are you suggesting that color does not afford complete control? Shel From: Mark Stringer Subject: RE: black & white Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:46:55 -0700 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- ---- The photographer will learn about his equipment, film and lab by doing photography and will adjust his processes to get better results. Is the question whether it is better to do so conciously or subconciously? I think a lot of good photographers respond to their results without hands on testing, souping and printing. B&W has always offered complete control. Doing your own is the shortest route to your desired results. However for color most of us do not have a relationship with a color lab. Now comes digital. More color photographers can have control over their result and will find it easier to have a relationship with a lab. "Hey Lab, last week my print looked like this and this week my print looks like this, I need consistent results." The lab will respond or we will find another with more consistent results. But we don't have to give detailed instructions to the lab. We crop, adjust and produce a proof at home. Hopefully the lab (printer) only has to print the photo equally well from week to week. Digital photography is the best thing to happen to the amateur color photographer.