I like messy, complex pictures, but the reason why this doesn't work for me is 
that the different parts don't fit together or add to some common story or 
mood.  If you look at the more complicated pictures by Cartier-Bresson you 
discover that some shapes or lines in the composition binds them together.  In 
colour you can use the occurance of some colour in the same way.  

I think it is pretty easy to simplify pictures, so the real challenge is to add 
thing and still make it work.

DagT
 
> fra: Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> dato: 2005/11/14 ma AM 04:25:18 CET
> til: <pentax-discuss@pdml.net>
> emne: PESO - Messy Crap, a Snap or a Keeper?
> 
> Mark's picture of the reflecting buildings reminded me of a shot I took some
> months ago. Both of Marks photos are interesting BTW.
> 
> The title I have given it, kind of says it all. I can't decide on this one.
> According to normal aesthetic "rules", it is a chaotic crappy image. It has
> a lot of crossing lines, the perspective is hard to figure out, there are
> some people in frame who doesn't really have anything to do in frame, and so
> on. But, I still kind of like it. But what do I like about it? I don't know.
> But I am very curious about what wisdom of the list has to say. 
> 
> Me and Jostein had a interesting discussion on eastern and western
> perspectives on pictures. The western ideal seems to be to one or few
> subjects in frame, and isolate it/them as good as possible. There are off
> course some exceptions from this, mainly patterns and repetitions of the
> subject. The eastern ideal is slightly different. I personally haven't seen
> a lot of eastern photography, but my impression is that they like more
> chaotic (in our ease) compositions. The discussion was mainly on the course
> of this phenomenon. A very interesting discussion, hope we can continue it
> over a beer or two some day.
> 
> So here it is, my "eastern" picture
> http://flickr.com/photos/fototim/62993610/
> it needs a larger format, so for you with broadband or patience
> http://flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=62993610&size=o (230k)
> Data online. 
> 
> Like Boris often says, honest and brutal if need comments are sought
> after...
> Hope I'll learn something from this.
> 
> 
> Tim
> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
>  
> Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
> (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)
> 
> 
> 
> 

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