Godfrey,

"Physical and natural" automatically implies real.  The unreal is
neither physical nor natural.

Gautam

On 3/29/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Science is defined to be:
>
> ---
> science:
> noun
> The intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic
> study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world
> through observation and experiment : the world of science and
> technology.
> - a particular area of this : veterinary science | the agricultural
> sciences.
> - a systematically organized body of knowledge on a particular
> subject : the science of criminology.
> - archaic knowledge of any kind.
>
> ORIGIN Middle English (denoting knowledge): from Old French, from
> Latin scientia, from scire 'know.'
> ---
>
> Note that this definition has no mention of the words "real" or
> "reality" in it. Notions of reality are part of philosophy (typically
> metaphysics and epistemology), not science.
>
> Godfrey
>
> On Mar 29, 2006, at 9:45 AM, Gautam Sarup wrote:
> > I'd say that if the mystics want to change the definition of
> > science they
> > can't.  Science is still (and always will be) the study of
> > reality.  The
> > "study of non-reality" if such a thing is possible will always be
> > mysticism.
> >
> > There is no logical need to morph one into the other.
>
>
> > On 3/29/06, Bob Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Science today studies much that isn't real.  That's a 19th century
> >> definition.
>
>
>

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