In Europe you can get a Dodge Magnum with Chrysler badging and a Chrysler 300 grille. It's called the Chrysler 300 Estate Wagon. Paul On Jul 24, 2006, at 8:40 PM, Adam Maas wrote:
> Yep, > > The K cars really needed the ease of repair. Tough they were, but they > weren't all that reliable. The LH's (at least the first gen ones) had > tranny issues too. > > And don' forget the Dodge Magnum, which was the first of the LH > replacements. Great car, if only it had a 6 speed stick in it. > > -Adam > > > > Paul Stenquist wrote: >> Yes, the LH cars were better than most front drivers when it came to >> ease of repair. The K cars were also better than a lot of imports and >> the GM And Ford front drivers of the eighties. Chrysler always >> focused on ease of repair. But in regard to the LH cars, "were" is >> the operative word. They're gone. Replaced by the rear drive Chrysler >> 300 and Dodge Charger. >> Paul >> On Jul 24, 2006, at 6:37 PM, Adam Maas wrote: >> >> >>> Bob, >>> >>> Go pop the hood on a Chrysler LH car (Intrepid, 300M, Vision or >>> Concorde) and tell me there's no room to work on a FWD car. It >>> really >>> does depend on the car. >>> >>> I still will insist that CV Joints make a FWD car more expensive to >>> miantain if everything else is equal, but that's my experience with >>> AWD/4WD coming out (the front end is always the moneysink in AWD/4WD >>> setups, usually due to CV joint wear. Luckily not everything is >>> as bad >>> as a Saab 99 or Chevy S10 4WD. >>> >>> -Adam >>> >>> >>> >>> Bob Sullivan wrote: >>> >>>> Gonz, >>>> Thanks. Godfrey's "I know it all" attitude was beginning to get >>>> on my nerves. >>>> The bullshit detector was going off every time I read his >>>> commentary. >>>> I've pulled the transmissions on RWD cars and wouldn't even try a >>>> FWD. >>>> Things are way too cramped in a modern engine compartment with FWD. >>>> Regards, Bob S. >>>> >>>> On 7/24/06, Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 24, 2006, at 12:52 PM, Gonz wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> ... that's really more a reflection of the quality of the >>>>>>>> design than the type. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm sorry, but you're still not convincing me. I've changed >>>>>>> transmissions on both types of cars and there is a *world* of >>>>>>> difference. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> As I said, differences in difficulty reflect the quality/ >>>>>> serviceability of a particular design and are not indicative of a >>>>>> type distinction. I probably pulled, overhauled and >>>>>> reassembled at >>>>>> least 100 transaxle and separate component setups over the years >>>>>> since 1971 and today. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> IMO, the particular design doesnt matter. What matters is that >>>>> the >>>>> basic assembly is the same. On a FWD, in order to move the split >>>>> shaft >>>>> assembly out of the tranny case, you have to take the wheels off, >>>>> loosen >>>>> and move to the side the brake assembly, loosen the suspension >>>>> from the >>>>> wheel assembly, probably loosen and/or remove the major >>>>> suspension frame >>>>> member closest to the tranny (because that member usually holds >>>>> the >>>>> tranny mount and the tranny usually has to come downwards to get >>>>> out), >>>>> loosen the shaft support on the long side of the shaft, take the >>>>> short >>>>> shaft off the tranny and the wheel assembly, and finally pull off >>>>> the >>>>> long shaft. Now, you've just gotten started. You next have to >>>>> support >>>>> the engine, take one or more engine mounts off (this is usually >>>>> because >>>>> there is not enough space to pull the tranny off the engine in its >>>>> normal position and you will have to drop the engine/tranny >>>>> assembly >>>>> downwards), take a huge part of the junk above the tranny and >>>>> engine >>>>> (air intake assembly, battery, etc, 90% of the time, this is just >>>>> to get >>>>> to the top side bolts from the top). Pulling it out is no fun >>>>> either, >>>>> in theses transverse mounted situations, there is barely enough >>>>> space to >>>>> do it and it first has to come straight out then a bit of a tilt >>>>> before >>>>> coming down, all the while permanent crap like air conditioning >>>>> hoses >>>>> keep getting in your way. Of course you could take them out, but >>>>> then >>>>> you have to put it back and evacuate/re-charge the cooling >>>>> system, not fun. >>>>> >>>>> Compare that to a RWD, where I've never run into anything remotely >>>>> resembling the difficulty of a FWD tranny replacement. Its >>>>> pretty much >>>>> a simple shaft loosening, hose and linkage removal, followed by >>>>> dropping >>>>> the tranny, no suspension hacking, no wheel/brake/air >>>>> conditioning/air >>>>> intake stuff ever. >>>>> >>>>> Give me a RWD job any time. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Some are a major pain in the ass. Others are a piece of cake. Of >>>>>> both >>>>>> types. >>>>>> >>>>>> Which ones have you worked on? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mini-vans are the worst FWD, small cars can be real bad. >>>>> American are >>>>> worse than foreign. >>>>> >>>>> For RWD, like I've said, never ran into a hard one. Trucks are a >>>>> joy. >>>>> >>>>> Never done a 4WD yet. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Godfrey >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Someone handed me a picture and said, "This is a picture of me >>>>> when I >>>>> was younger." Every picture of you is when you were younger. >>>>> "...Here's >>>>> a picture of me when I'm older." Where'd you get that camera man? >>>>> - Mitch Hedberg >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> >> >> > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
