I'm broke right now, but even I don't see that as a huge price. What would you have expected to pay for a FF 35mm DSLR even three years ago. I think the Kodak DCS cameras were about $6000. Which was about half the price of the equivalent Canon? While imaging chips are probably not going to halve in price in the next three years, they may fall by another 1/3 with a savings in the support hardware, (the rest of the camera that is), of maybe 50% being not unreasonable. We, (yes the royal we), could postulate that a FF DSLR would be selling for less that $2000.00. Maybe around say $1600.00. How many on this list paid that much for their *ist-D. Pentax will have to build one, just to compete. If they can't they're doomed anyway, and I think they know it.
Paul Stenquist wrote: >Only the Canon pro cameras are full frame. None sell for less than >$3000. >On Aug 8, 2006, at 1:57 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: > > > >>After Pentax killed the MZ-D/MR-52 in IIRC 2003 there were people on >>this list who predicted that Pentax would never introduce a Digital SLR >>that they would be film forever. The *ist-D was announced, what within >>a year, in peoples hands in less than 1 1/2 years. Canon has managed >>to >>bring the cost of a FF DSLR into the realm of mere mortals. If Pentax >>can get a FF sensor and build a camera for a price that they feel is >>competitive they will build it. Personally I think that Canon's >>propaganda machine is good enough that FF 35mm format will remain the >>holy grail of DSLR development, (not that they don't have a point). >>Pentax will either have one within the next 3-4 years, (1.3 crop is >>close enough for government work), be a name on a Samsung product, or >>be >>out of the Camera business. This is especially so if the 645D has >>limited sales success. If I'm right, (and I hope I am, not about the >>645D but about the FF sensor), I'll send you a bottle of Tabasco. >> >>Paul Stenquist wrote: >> >> >> >>>The *ist was a stopgap film camera. No one considered it a top of the >>>line offering. I will eat this message if Pentax releases a 1.3 or >>>full-frame camera. It ain't gonna happen. >>>Paul >>>On Aug 7, 2006, at 9:57 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>It was sold as the new top of the line, and in most respects had, at >>>>least for Pentax top of the line specifications. The MZ-S was the >>>>Flagship but was soon discontinued anyway. The *ist effectively >>>>replaced the MZ-S the MZ3/ZX5n MZ-6/ZX-L etc. Don't forget the green >>>>button Kludge on the *ist-D didn't come along until there was a >>>>wave of >>>>protest from Pentax's user base in Japan, (and here, but Japanese >>>>users >>>>are what Pentax probably really cared about). I have no doubt that >>>>Pentax will change sensors as soon as it makes economic sense to do >>>>so. >>>>If a 1.3 crop or full frame 35mm sensor is released next week with a >>>>price/quality ratio that makes economic sense. Don't doubt that >>>>those >>>>DA lenses will be suddenly obsolete. >>>> >>>>Paul Stenquist wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>The film *ist was a limited offering aimed at newbie amateurs. It >>>>>was built for use with consumer zooms. It wasn't likely that many >>>>>would want to use it with pre-A lenses. >>>>>Paul >>>>>On Aug 7, 2006, at 6:45 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>They've never screwed with their customers like that before. >>>>>>Well not >>>>>>until the introduction of the *ist Film and Digital introduction >>>>>>that >>>>>>is. Try to meter with a pre-A lens on the film *ist and let me >>>>>>know how >>>>>>that works for ya. >>>>>> >>>>>>Aaron Reynolds wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>On Aug 5, 2006, at 7:35 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>And encourage us to buy new lenses? Gosh, no! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>I just can't see it. They've never screwed with the customer like >>>>>>>that >>>>>>>before. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Plus, their pro commitment is still to medium format. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>-Aaron >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>-- >>>>>>When you're worried or in doubt, >>>>>> Run in circles, (scream and shout). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>-- >>>>>>PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>>PDML@pdml.net >>>>>>http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>-- >>>>When you're worried or in doubt, >>>> Run in circles, (scream and shout). >>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>PDML@pdml.net >>>>http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>When you're worried or in doubt, >> Run in circles, (scream and shout). >> >> >>-- >>PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>PDML@pdml.net >>http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> >> >> > > > > -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
