And that's problematic as well, since these are mostly shareholder controlled companies. Profits go to the shareholders, wherever they may be (And don't assume that these shareholders are only in the company's country of origin). You can only be sure of where wages go.
-Adam Paul Stenquist wrote: > Calling the big three domestics isn't a problem. The problem is that > when import brands build cars in the US the corporate profits go back > to Japan, Korea or wherever. When the big three build them, the money > stays here. We want the money. > Paul > > On Oct 22, 2006, at 1:49 PM, Adam Maas wrote: > >> Note, calling the Big 3 domestics is problematic. All the major makers >> from Europe, Japan and North America build cars in the US and Canada. >> All of them do serious amounts of design work offshore (GM's small >> cars >> are all Opels, Ford Europe does the same for Ford, and much of >> Chrysler's engineering comes from the Daimler side). >> >> The big 3 could disappear and there would still be a strong auto >> industry in the US, just from all the Toyota and Honda plants. >> >> -Adam >> >> >> Paul Stenquist wrote: >>> They're not built on the same lines, but the same methodology >>> applies. Many former Toyota quality-control specialists now work for >>> the big three. And JD Power measures more than initial quality. >>> Mercury finished second in the most recent JD Power survey of three- >>> year dependability -- ahead of Toyota and Lexus. The big problem the >>> domestics have is delivering value. Generally, you get more for your >>> money with Japanese imports and even more with Korean imports. (Can't >>> wait 'til the Chinese arrive. Even Japan is dreading that.} The big >>> three's overhead is much higher than any of the imports due to union >>> contracts. However, even the UAW now realizes that much of this has >>> to change. Concessions have been coming, and they'll continue. It's >>> the only chance our auto industry has to remain competitive. >>> Paul >>> Paul >>> On Oct 22, 2006, at 12:00 PM, graywolf wrote: >>> >>>> Ah, bullshit, the american and japanese cars are likely built on the >>>> same assembly line nowadays. Even as far back as 1980 that was >>>> possible, >>>> now it is likely. Hey, Joe, is this a toyota or a chevy, which >>>> badge do >>>> I put on it? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> J. C. O'Connell wrote: >>>>> Don't forget that JD powers numbers are only for initial >>>>> Quality which is essentially how well the car is assembled >>>>> And inspected before it leaves the factory. It has almost >>>>> Nothing to do with build quality and long term reliablity. >>>>> jco >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>>> Behalf Of >>>>> Paul Stenquist >>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 7:28 AM >>>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>> Subject: Re: The JCO survey >>>>> >>>>> Look at the JD Power numbers. Toyota and Honda are leaders in >>>>> quality, >>>>> but GM is close to the top these days as is Ford. All of the US >>>>> carmakers outperform the Europeans. It's not opinion. It's fact. >>>>> On Oct 22, 2006, at 5:11 AM, keith_w wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Paul Stenquist wrote: >>>>>>> Sorry, but you don't have a clue. >>>>>> I have a lot more than a clue, Paul >>>>>> My family and I have lived with various GM cars over the years, as >>>>> well >>>>>> as perhaps 30 other vehicles personally. >>>>>> That includes a number of Chevys and Buicks. >>>>>> And for me, a preponderance of foreign iron, including Mercedes, >>>>> Hondas >>>>>> and Toyotas. >>>>>> >>>>>> The Hondas and Toyotas have out-performed and outlasted any of my >>>>> other >>>>>> cars, in all respects, without regard to marque. >>>>>> >>>>>> GM's shoddy workmanship and inattention to quality control as a >>>>>> way of >>>>>> automotive life, has lost me as a customer for life. >>>>>> >>>>>> keith whaley >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>>> >>>> -- >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
