Putting a person in the picture would defeat the original intention of
making the photograph in the first place. In any case, there were no people
around.  The fence is  in a neighborhood where there's not much street
activity to begin with, and there's even less on the day of the week that I
made the photo.  I could probably hang around for a couple of hours and not
see a person on that street.  Plus, the photo had to be taken at a certain
time of the day, otherwise the light would not be right and there would be
various shadows to deal with. At that time of day there's even less street
activity in the area, not to mention that particular street.

As for the use of a car, we live in different environments.  Public
transportation is very poor here, and unless one lives very close to
shopping and stores, it can be difficult and quite time consuming to walk
to such places.  There are lots of hills here as well, so even for the fit
and healthy, it can be a half-day affair to bring home a bottle of milk.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: DagT 

> Yes, you are right in a way .-)
>
> But I still do not carry a tripod or have it in my car (I seldom use our
car anyway).
>
> In your picture the tripod suits the way you photographed it which in
turn suits the subject (sorry, I haven't commented on it before). 
>
> I would probably have solved it differently, perhaps with a little
stealth trying to get a person into the picture (not necessarily making a
better picture), and then the tripod would not have been of any use.  It
depends on how we like to work, and being an amateur I am free to do
exactly that.
>
> A couple of my pictures have been compared to Franks, and I don't think
he uses a tripod either .-)
>
> DagT
>  
> > Fra: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 
> > Isn't a fence a still life?
> > 
> > There's always a tripod in my car, but it's not used too often.
> > 
> > Shel
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: DagT
> > 
> > > It depends on how you photograph.  
> > For me the triopd always gets in the way.  
> > I like to move freely, to change angles and 
> > to follow the subject, even in a studio or 
> > using medium format.  So the only times 
> > I use the tripod is for still life. I never carry 
> > it around.
> > 
> >  
> > > > Fra: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Dato: 2007/01/09 Tue AM 02:25:11 CET
> > > > Til: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" <pdml@pdml.net>
> > > > Emne: Re: PESO - American Fence (the process of creativty)
> > > > 
> > > > Well, Ken, in both cases the tripod provides better results.  It's
the
> > > > misuse of the tripod, or not using it in the best manner, that can
> > > > contribute to lesser results.  But, the results you're talking
about are
> > > > aesthetic, not technical.  And even by using the camera/tripod as
you
> > > > suggest, aesthetic results can be crap
> > > > 
> > > > Shel
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > [Original Message]
> > > > > From: Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net>
> > > > > Date: 1/8/2007 12:44:26 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence (the process of creativty)
> > > > >
> > > > > > So, the short answer is, regardless of shutter speed, using a
> > tripod can
> > > > > > help achieve better results.
> > > > >
> > > > > Agreed, but I've also seen it hinder better results.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've seen photogs approach a subject with the camera already
tripod
> > > > mounted, 
> > > > > legs extended & simply set up & snap away. In these cases the
tripod
> > is 
> > > > > preventing full exploration of the photographic opportunities.
> > > > >
> > > > > I was taught when using a tripod, to view the subject thru an
> > unmounted 
> > > > > camera, @ various perspectives & only when I arrived at the
desired
> > scene
> > > > to 
> > > > > then bring the tripod into use & set it up to capture that view.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kenneth Waller
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Subject: Re: PESO - American Fence (the process of creativty)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Boris,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To answer your question, there are a few reasons, or maybe
several
> > > > > > variations on the same reason.  First, a tripod is always more
> > stable
> > > > than
> > > > > > hand held, and since this shot didn't need quick reflexes, and
it
> > was
> > > > easy
> > > > > > to set up the t'pod, why not go for as high a quality as I could
> > get. 
> > > > The
> > > > > > other thing I noticed is that, as I've gotten older, I sometimes
> > move
> > > > > > forward and back, usually very imperceptibly - in fact, it's
more
> > of a
> > > > > > feeling that I'm moving than actually observing it - and the
tripod
> > > > keeps
> > > > > > the camera in the same plane, or the same precise distance,
from the
> > > > > > subject, reducing focusing errors.  Further, the use of the
t'pod
> > > > allows 
> > > > > > me
> > > > > > to more carefully frame the shot, avoiding slight tilts that
> > sometimes
> > > > > > occur when shooting hand held and giving me the freedom to frame
> > more
> > > > > > accurately.  It also allows better use of  mirror prefire or
> > bracketing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So, the short answer is, regardless of shutter speed, using a
> > tripod can
> > > > > > help achieve better results.
> > 
> > 
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