I'm upset because Pentax doesn't say their lenses will work on Canons. :-)

There should be a CCA (Canon Compatible with Adapter) designation.

I've been totally misled.

Tom C.

>From: Mishka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net>
>To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" <pdml@pdml.net>
>Subject: Re: DA70 and 24x36 coverage
>Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 09:56:16 -0400
>
>would someone also be upset about designation if it turned out that some
>K (M,A,FA...) lens covers 6x45 format? doesn't K500/4.5? why it isn't 
>labeled
>as such? besides, although it is labeled as K, it has preset aperture! burn 
>'em!
>
>best,
>mishka
>
>On 10/2/07, J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > the more functional variables a lens has, the more important the
> > designation becomes.
> > jco
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> > Tom C
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 2:39 PM
> > To: pdml@pdml.net
> > Subject: Re: DA70 and 24x36 coverage
> >
> >
> > It could be.  Wasn't intended as such though.  I apologize.
> >
> > My point was that if nomenclature on a lens is a big issue, then I want
> > to
> > be in your (whoever's) shoes, because you're living pretty charmed
> > lives.
> > :-)
> >
> > Tom C.
> >
> >
> > >From: Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net>
> > >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net>
> > >Subject: Re: DA70 and 24x36 coverage
> > >Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 20:23:39 +0200
> > >
> > >Tom, with all honesty and due respect - this is rather impolite remark.
> > >
> > >Respectfully.
> > >
> > >Boris
> > >
> > >Tom C wrote:
> > > > Who cares? If you can't think for a couple of milliseconds or can't
> > > > be troubled to research a product you're going to plunk money down
> > > > for, you probably shouldn't be allowed to press the shutter release.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe they should have gone to an incompatible mount just to make
> > > > sure
> > >that
> > > > people that can't read don't have this problem.
> > > >
> > > > Tom C.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> From: "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net>
> > > >> To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" <pdml@pdml.net>
> > > >> Subject: RE: DA70 and 24x36 coverage
> > > >> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 14:11:20 -0400
> > > >>
> > > >> LETS CLEAR THIS UP. IMHO, a lens series designation
> > > >> should cover all functionalities like coverage, AF, aperture rings,
> >
> > > >> optimized for digital etc. They should be all the same within a
> > > >> given designation. This is how is was for K/M, A, F lenses so it
> > > >> was very clear what you were getting. Now its getting very unclear.
> > > >> jco
> > > >>
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > > >> Behalf Of P. J. Alling
> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 1:39 PM
> > > >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> > > >> Subject: Re: DA70 and 24x36 coverage
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Why? So that you can curse that they don't have aperture rings?
> > > >> Give me a break. If a lens incidentally covers a larger format but
> > > >> doesn't do
> > >it
> > > >>
> > > >> well, or doesn't have the mechanics to make it useful, then to do
> > > >> what you suggest would be a disservice, as well as asking for
> > > >> complaints and bad publicity.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> > > >>> I disagree, the lenses that fully cover 24x36 should be marked so
> > > >>> so there is confusion if you are using both aps and ff bodies. jco
> > > >>>
> > > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > > >>> Behalf Of P. J. Alling
> > > >>> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 6:52 PM
> > > >>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> > > >>> Subject: Re: DA70 and 24x36 coverage
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> No it's not bad. DA lenses are guaranteed to cover 16x24 but may
> > > >>> cover a
> > > >>>
> > > >>> larger format. That's the only guaranteed there is. It hurts
> > > >>> nothing if they cover a larger format.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> If the comments below are true, it's bad. The lens designation
> > > >>>> should convey if a lens wont cover 24x36mm IMHO. A APS-C only
> > > >>>> lens is not
> > > >> the
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> same thing as a 24x36 lens and there should be an easy way to
> > > >>>> know by the lens designation IMHO. jco
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > > >>>> Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi
> > > >>>> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 3:37 PM
> > > >>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> > > >>>> Subject: Re: DA70 and 24x36 coverage
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Oct 1, 2007, at 11:46 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> I am asking my question mainly because if it indeed covered full
> >
> > > >>>>> frame
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> and there were no image deterioration past the APC frame, Pentax
> >
> > > >>>>> probably would have given it FDA designation instead of DA.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>> The D-FA mount includes an aperture ring control. DA lenses do
> > > >>>> not.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> The DA70 has no aperture ring control, it was design for use with
> >
> > > >>>> the digital SLR bodies. Whether it actually covers 24x36 mm
> > > >>>> format isn't really relevant to the mount designation.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Godfrey
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> ---
> > > >>>> Not really relevant but interesting:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> In the course of researching my latest lens acquisition, I saw an
> >
> > > >>>> article about someone who took an M42 mount Pentax
> > > >>>> Fish-Eye-Takumar 17mm lens and cobbled up a mount to fit it on a
> > > >>>> 6x6 rollfilm folder with behind-lens leaf shutter. His goal was
> > > >>>> to make circular fish eye
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> images inexpensively ... it produced an image circle ~ 45mm in
> > > >>>> diameter on the 6x6 format film, which suited his needs
> > > >>>> perfectly.
> > > >>>> ---
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Remember, it's pillage then burn.
> > > >>
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