Lisp Is Simply Perfect. ;)
On 10/16/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sorry my text editor of choice is KEdit, a windows version of XEdit. > Extensible using REX, (I think I have a REX manual around here > somewhere), a language that is one understandable by mere mortals and > doesn't lead me to trying to rewrite the editor entirely, so I actually > get some work done. > > Gonz wrote: > > Then you need to run M-x doctor. > > (ever tried that?) > > :) > > > > On 10/16/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Now I know I'm in the twilight zone... > >> > >> Gonz wrote: > >> > >>> Exactly. I frequently run into situations where making very > >>> sophisticated edits to extremely large and complex files would have > >>> been impossible in any other editor (especially the practially useless > >>> vi). Emacs rules. I have a large library of Lisp emacs extensions > >>> for dozens of special needs. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 10/16/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> But it's extensible using LISP, how could that be bad? > >>>> > >>>> Adam Maas wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Actually it's just ingrained muscle memory, years of having to use vi > >>>>> while maintaining services on Unix machines means that the basic editing > >>>>> commands are pretty much automatic. vi is ideal for that use, it's > >>>>> lightweight and everything has it. > >>>>> > >>>>> I still :wq on a regular basis in just about every other editor/word > >>>>> processor. > >>>>> > >>>>> If you want punishment, use emacs. All the weight of Word, none of the > >>>>> Eye Candy. > >>>>> > >>>>> -Adam > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> P. J. Alling wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> You are a glutton for punishment... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Adam Maas wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> I use vi > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -Adam > >>>>>>> Always the odd one out. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Tom C wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> It'll likely be a matter of attrition. What % of people here use > >>>>>>>> WordPerfect as opposed to MS Word? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I'll bet it's a 5/95 ratio if not higher. Not too different from > >>>>>>>> where > >>>>>>>> Pentax stands in the market, despite some recent relative success > >>>>>>>> with the > >>>>>>>> K10D. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Your suppositions are probably correct. When I say done for, I'm not > >>>>>>>> predicting when... I'm saying that inevitable market forces will > >>>>>>>> finally > >>>>>>>> take their toll, unless something changes quickly. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Tom C. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> From: Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>>>>>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net> > >>>>>>>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net> > >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under > >>>>>>>>> NDA) ? > >>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 00:20:34 -0400 > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Why? Pentax has never been a player in the Pro 35mm market. Not > >>>>>>>>> being > >>>>>>>>> one now will make little difference. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I expect to see them bring out a body above the K10D within the > >>>>>>>>> next 6 > >>>>>>>>> months, or a K10D 'successor' that is little more than the new Sony > >>>>>>>>> 12MP > >>>>>>>>> sensor and a new shutter in the K10D body, perhaps with a higher > >>>>>>>>> framerate. I don't expect to see a Pentax body above the $1300 or so > >>>>>>>>> price point. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> -Adam > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Tom C wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> LOL. You're not breaking it to me. I was being kind. :-) > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Pentax has a slim chance yet to recover. If they blow it in the > >>>>>>>>>> next 6 > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> - 12 > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> months though, I susect they are done for. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Tom C. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> From: "Mark Erickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>>>>>>>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net> > >>>>>>>>>>> To: "pdml" <pdml@pdml.net> > >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under > >>>>>>>>>>> NDA) ? > >>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:59:17 -0400 > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> I hate to break it to you, but in the USA, Pentax *is* a "2nd tier > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> camera > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> company". The company hasn't released a truly professional system > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> camera > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> here (or anywhere, actually) since the LX. The current high-end > >>>>>>>>>>> Pentax > >>>>>>>>>>> lens > >>>>>>>>>>> selection is miniscule compared to Canon and Nikon. Pentax does > >>>>>>>>>>> not > >>>>>>>>>>> provide > >>>>>>>>>>> the kind of professional support that Canon and Nikon do at major > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> sporting > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> events. Pentax products lack presence on store shelves in the > >>>>>>>>>>> USA. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Etc. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Tom C wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "John Sessoms" > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even > >>>>>>>>>>>>> under > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> NDA) > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> ? > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If memory serves the other two are an over-priced Nissan and an > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> over-priced Honda. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess that depends on what your personal comfort is worth. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> William Robb > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> My analogy was not about price, it was about image, prestige, > >>>>>>>>>>>> perception in the market place. Sure a FF DSLR will cost more > >>>>>>>>>>>> than one with an APS-C size sensor. If the Canons, Nikon's, > >>>>>>>>>>>> Sony's of the world offer FF DSLR's, then Pentax must also. > >>>>>>>>>>>> If they do not, they will relegate themselves to a 2nd > >>>>>>>>>>>> tier camera company, and it doesn't matter who loves their > >>>>>>>>>>>> camera, or how much it satisfies their current needs. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Tom C. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >>>>>>>>>>> PDML@pdml.net > >>>>>>>>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >>>>>>>>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly > >>>>>>>>>>> above and > >>>>>>>>>>> follow the directions. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >>>>>>>>> PDML@pdml.net > >>>>>>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >>>>>>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above > >>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>> follow the directions. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Remember, it's pillage then burn. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >>>> PDML@pdml.net > >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > >>>> follow the directions. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> -- > >> Remember, it's pillage then burn. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >> PDML@pdml.net > >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > >> follow the directions. > >> > >> > > > > > > > -- > Remember, it's pillage then burn. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
