I think that's the industry standard for end of life. the Nikon D200 dropped a level at the end of its tenure as well. Paul -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Adam Maas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > That it did, but I can't help but think Pentax would have done better > with it if it had remained near its initial pricepoint rather than > descending into K100D territory. By the end of its run it was only > about $50 off a K100D kit in price, which is a bit non-sensical. > > -Adam > > On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:06 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I agree in regard to the K200D, but I wouldn't call the K10D a mistake. It > represented great value for the money, and that helped put Pentax on the > consideration list for many buyers. > > Paul > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > From: "Adam Maas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> The utterly crippled buffer is the most telling fault, there's no > >> justifiable reason why a modern camera should have a buffer limited to > >> 4 RAWs or 4 JPEG's, especially not at the K200D's rather significant > >> price (it's easily the most expensive base model on the market, and > >> not the most capable). It's also overpriced considering the rest of > >> its spec. The similar spec Sony A200 is significantly cheaper, has at > >> least 50% more buffer in RAW (6 shot)with a slow card and as much as > >> 3x the RAW buffer with a UDMA card (Sony's write speeds on their > >> current cameras are fastest in class and add significantly to RAW > >> buffering, as much as doubling it on the A200 with a 300x card) and > >> JPEG buffering is infinite at 3.0fps (to the K200D's 2.8fps) AND the > >> Sony A200's AF is comparable in performance to the K20D. The Sony does > >> lack the sealing, but that's no excuse for the K200D to have a buffer > >> spec that was obsolete on the Digital Rebel 4 years ago. Not to > >> mention that currently the Nikon D80 sells for only slightly more than > >> the K200D with kit lens, and it completely destroys the K200D in most > >> regards (Faster AF, far better viewfinder, comparable IQ, much better > >> flash system, better AF, much deeper buffer) as it's generally > >> comparable to the K10D and exceeds the K10D in some regards (AF, Flash > >> system, high ISO) while the K10D offered weather sealing and SR in > >> response. > >> > >> Pentax made the opposite mistake with the K200D (too much money, > >> uncompetitive spec) as they did with the K10D (too little money, > >> over-specced). > >> > >> -Adam > >> > >> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Brian Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> > OK, well perhaps we could talk about technical things for a minute... > >> > > >> > I'm interested in your statement "....cheap ones aren't as bad in > >> > comparison as the K200D is to the K20D." > >> > > >> > What do you think is wrong with the K200D given that it's about > >> > $600-$700 (Au) cheaper than the 20D? > >> > > >> > I'm considering my options at present with the thought of getting either > >> > a 200D or a 20D later in the year. Much as I'd like a 20D, the 200D > >> > seems to be able to do most of what I need (based on the reviews I've > >> > read). About the only thing I'd like that the 200D doesn't have is the > >> > extra resolution. I rarely need very high ISOs and I don't do a lot of > >> > photography where a I need to fire off a lot of frames quickly - I'm > >> > finding it hard to justify the extra money, particularly as there's a > >> > lens or two I'd like as well. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Cheers > >> > > >> > Brian > >> > > >> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> > Brian Walters > >> > Western Sydney Australia > >> > http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Wed, 28 May 2008 19:09:05 -0400, "Adam Maas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > >> >> Some of it is also the lack of options. Pentax has never had more than > >> >> three digital bodies in the line, and no more than two commonly > >> >> available ones, while they had many more current film bodies for most > >> >> of the post-spotmatic era. We're back to the days of the SP and SP500 > >> >> when it comes to body choice. Really its' 'get the cheap one or the > >> >> good one, and the cheap one has a few too many comprimises'. Much the > >> >> same goes for the restricted lens line, although the cheap ones aren't > >> >> as bad in comparison as the K200D is to the K20D. > >> >> > >> >> -Adam > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > Jaume, > >> >> > > >> >> > I agree with you that the list has changed with digital. > >> >> > Some of the old focus on cameras and lenses is diminished. > >> >> > We are not shooting film any more...digital is too easy. > >> >> > So we aren't debating lens vs lens or camera vs camera. > >> >> > And some are posting lots of pictures because they can. > >> >> > > >> >> > I hope we are still friendly and welcoming to new people starting with > >> Pentax. > >> >> > In fact, I think there is a real need for help with the early > >> >> > expertise for digital. > >> >> > It is easy to snap pictures, but getting high quality results is > >> >> > harder. > >> >> > The issues include jpeg vs raw, sharpening, computer storage, and > printing. > >> >> > > >> >> > Regards, Bob S. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > -- > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > http://www.fastmail.fm - One of many happy users: > >> > http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/quotes.html > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >> > PDML@pdml.net > >> > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >> > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow > >> the directions. > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> M. 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