I didn't miss the post, you're right of course, if it's a queen butterfly the comparison to the coloring of monarchs is not relevant, and my suggestion is moot. In the word of Emily Latella "Nevermind".
Walter Hamler wrote: > In case you missed the post, the butterfly in question is not a > Monarch but a Queen. It has a darker more chocholate coloring. > > Walt > > On 6/26/08, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Oh yes I did. The abstract was quite interesting, if you read closely >> the hypothesis was that the insect would be darker in cold climates to >> help the insects keep warm. The quot and the position in the abstract >> that tells me how much this hypothesis is worth is this one >> >> >>> Across all populations, monarch larvae developed the darkest >>> coloration in the cold treatment and were lightest when reared in hot >>> temperatures. Similar results were observed for measures of adult wing >>> melanism, /with the exception of adult females, which developed darker >>> colored wings in warmer temperatures./ >>> >> Hum, damn near half of the experimental population showed the reverse >> adaptation. Perhaps there is another explanation. In the current >> question as to whether this effect is great enough to make as big a >> difference as seen between Walters butterfly shot and mine, or whether >> processing or perhaps color space caused the difference, the abstract >> doesn't tell us that. In fact it tells little or nothing at all. >> >> AlunFoto wrote: >> >>> If you scroll down, the abstract is available for free and in plain >>> text. As is the custom for most of those scientific publishing >>> services. I wouldn't pay, either, only to find out something about >>> some American butterfly, but I thought you perhaps would have found >>> the abstract interesting too. >>> >>> Jostein >>> >>> >>> 2008/6/26 P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> >>> >>>> Damnifiknow. The link you posted wants money, and I refuse to pay to >>>> read. I've never heard of temperature differences causing wing color >>>> differences. Monarchs live in every temperate climate and overwinter >>>> in Mexico, none of the photographs I've seen from their winter quarters >>>> have ever shown a particularly large color variation. On the other hand >>>> the difference between the colors I saw in Walters photo and mine were >>>> reminiscent of the difference I observed when I converted to jpeg on a >>>> few images without first converting to the correct color space. >>>> >>>> AlunFoto wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Peter, Walt, Bob, >>>>> >>>>> Is there natural variation in Monarch wing color? >>>>> I did a quick google search and came across a scientific study of >>>>> monarchs reared at different temperatures in a lab. The article is >>>>> mostly concerned with larva colour, but also mentions that adult >>>>> females from populations grown in warmer conditions become darker than >>>>> usual. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T94-4GJM3Y5-1&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=a63c95bf46d5dc941776d1da7d26b91b >>>>> >>>>> Now since Walt lives in Florida... :-) >>>>> >>>>> Jostein >>>>> >>>>> 2008/6/25 Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Walt and Peter, >>>>>> I don't think there's a lot wrong with the color, >>>>>> especially since flash was used. >>>>>> Here's one without flash, taken on Fujichrome and scanned to a Kodak CD. >>>>>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7452144&size=lg >>>>>> Regards, Bob S. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Christine Aguila >>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Walt: Very nice, but perhaps a little bit of a crop on the right? >>>>>>> Great >>>>>>> catch nonetheless! Cheers, Christine >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Walter Hamler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" <pdml@pdml.net> >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 7:08 PM >>>>>>> Subject: PESO-Butterfly Encounter >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Local Nursery has a Butterfly House. Great opportunity for pics but I >>>>>>>> have learned bigtime that macro is hard!!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Walt >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J/3/319375517_VQr2A#319375517_VQr2A-XL-LB >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>>>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>>>>>>> follow the directions. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>>>>>> follow the directions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>>>>> follow the directions. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Vote for Cthulhu. 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