Thanks Bob, and you could be right there. The fellow i took over from, moved on into moto bike race photography and is doing a bang up business. He still does on site(he was the first in our area in 2000 to do so) but does not sell prints anymore, just day CD's. Last i spoke to him, he had 3 view computers, and two burn computers, that are working all day long.
I sell quite a few CD's my self. Just wondering if i should just go that route. Digital files only. One thing IS for sure,if i carry on. The CD prices need to rise. I just did those as a desperation measure in 2005 and 2006, to try and break even, and picked what i thought was a fair price. My year end CD is under valued i think. Dave Dave On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 8:15 PM, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dave, > I don't think the pictures or the web site are a problem. Both are > good enough, and as good as others I've seen. You're clients just > have very low price expectations. It's not encouraging... > Regards, Bob S. > > On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 5:36 PM, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Well, i am taking the same type of photos as the competition, except >> most of the onsite companies shot a hell of a lot more of each rider. >> Having said that, they stil only get 3-4 out of , say 50 shots of the >> rider actually doing the jump or test or what have you. >> >> There clients think they are getting a bargin at $75 for a show CD. >> Look at all my photos i get. Yes but why would you want 20 of your >> back end going over a jump. >> >> Difficult to explain. >> >> I was one of two people 7 years ago, doing on site digital work. Even >> then, sales were not great, but i did make a bit of a profit each >> time. >> >> I talked to another shooter this weekend, who has been doing this as a >> pro, since 1988, and he has seen his profit decline drastically. He >> also does a lot of "commercial" work as well, and that is keeping him >> going. >> >> Here is his site. I don't see my shots any different or presented >> differently as his, and he is a main stream shooter. >> >> www.shootphoto.ca >> >> He uses CS to make his pages, i use Breeze Browser Pro. >> >> I think it boils down to repation. Same riders, same jumps, same back >> drops, same horses. >> >> I have sold to the same people for all these years, and unless i get >> an outstanding shot, or they get a new horse, its same ol, same ol. >> >> Well, some one else can take over, spend $1600 and do a pro web >> page(mine is home built, but you see that)and hopefully they do >> better. >> >> Life goes on. >> >> Dave >> >> On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Maxime Thériault >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I can understand your feelings, and I reckon having far less knowledge in >>> this field than you more than likely have. >>> >>> But.. And it's not meant to be taken in a mean way, but I've looked at your >>> pictures collection and have to say that it's a far shot from the >>> 'professional equestrian photogs' in the way they are both presented >>> (website) and taken (The photos themselves). It's not to say that your >>> pictures are bad per see, but you need to know where your competition is at >>> and compete on the same level if you want an income that is above that of an >>> amateur / 'mom with DSLR' level. The market, ANY specialty market, are >>> awfully hard to penetrate and alas that is how that field is. >>> >>> That's about as far as my 'knowledge' goes, and like I said you probably >>> know more than I do, and your business plan was probably taking this into >>> account etc. >>> >>> I do wish you luck and fortune in any decision you take. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >>> David J Brooks >>> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 2:17 PM >>> To: Pentax Discuss >>> Subject: OT Be careful were you place that decimal point >>> >>> Well, i have one more show to do this weekend, and it could be the last for >>> me. >>> >>> I have sat down and had a look at my so called books, and after using >>> a calculator instead of >>> doing math in my head, can now see what i have made since 2004, when i >>> went to web based sales only. >>> >>> 2004/2005, less than $300.00, each year >>> 2006 $450 >>> 2007 less than 1K. >>> Projected for 2008, $500-700.00 >>> >>> Not a lot of profit for a part time gig, that is supposed to help the >>> pocket book out.:-) >>> >>> I'm tired, I ache and i have lost interest. I',m pretty sure Liz would >>> like me to call it quits also. >>> I had every weekend from April to Sept tied up, and i'm sure she would >>> like to do stuff other than sit around the house, and wait for me to >>> come home.:-) >>> Last year worked out to around $2.50 an hour. >>> >>> I'll ponder over the next while, but i think its time to pass the >>> horse shoe on to the next eager beaver >>> that has started up an equestrian photo business. >>> >>> Now i know why you only see photographers for a few years, then new ones. >>> >>> I figure sales are low due to tight money, barns with parents with >>> Dslr's and give the photos away and scoping the proofs from the web. >>> >>> It was a good ride, if i decide to hang it up.:-) >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Equine Photography >>> www.caughtinmotion.com >>> http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ >>> Ontario Canada >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Equine Photography >> www.caughtinmotion.com >> http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ >> Ontario Canada >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
