One of my favorites.  I still use it as a slow normal zoom.

>>> "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 11/27/2008 7:44 PM >>>

Yes but I'm all set for FF Pentax, I've still got my 20-35mm FA 4.0  
really nice as an ultra wide on film,. even better as a ~28 mm 
equivalent on APS-C and also no where near $2000 when new.  It breaks
my 
heart that it's been discontinued.

Adam Maas wrote:
> And that's a crop lens. So it would be one of the ways of saving
$2000
> dollars by running in DX crop mode. It sucks at 18mm on FF (Been
> there, done that with the Tokina on an F100, it's not anything
> approaching a solution for FF use).
>
> Truly good ultra-wide zooms for F mount come down to the 14-24 f2.8
> (the king of ultra-wide zoom performance on any mount right now,
beats
> every prime in its range except the 21 Distagon) at $2k CDN and the
> 17-35 f2.8 AF-S which gets worse as it gets wider but is extremely
> good at 35mm. That's around $1500CDN new if you can actually find
one.
>
> -Adam
>
> On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 11:24 AM, P. J. Alling
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Hum, last I herd the Pentax 12-24 was pretty decent, and that
doesn't cost
>> anywhere near to $2000.  The Tokina version might or might not be
SMC but it
>> has a pretty good reputation.  I always considered 18mm pretty much
ultra
>> wide on 35mm.
>>
>> Adam Maas wrote:
>>     
>>> On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 12:15 AM, John Sessoms
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> From: "David Savage"
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>       
>>>>> Nikon's DX lenses work on the D3/D700. Admittedly at a "cropped"
>>>>> resolution,
>>>>> but they do work.
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> What's the point of shelling out the bucks for a full frame DSLR,
if
>>>> you're
>>>> only going to be able to shoot "cropped" because the lenses won't
cover
>>>> the
>>>> full frame?
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> So you don't have to shell out an extra $2000 right away to get a
good
>>> ultra-wide zoom.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
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