As long as we can reasonably absorb the damage and hope for change. I realize the key word here is "reasonably". -----Original Message----- From: John Sessoms <jsessoms...@nc.rr.com> Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 08:53:43 To: <pdml@pdml.net> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net> Subject: Re: OT: new camera
How far should tolerance of intolerance extend? From: Steven Desjardins > I'm never happy to see anyone just go away. Tolerance extends in many > directions. We're never stronger for losing someone, even if that > strength is the result of patience on our part. Maybe I'm sensitive > to this because I can have quite a bad temper and have said things on > occasion that I deeply regret later. On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:12 PM, > paul stenquist <pnstenqu...@comcast.net> wrote: >>> >>> On Oct 23, 2010, at 7:35 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: >>> >>>>> I certainly don't want to see Bill go away. ?I can deal just >>>>> fine with his directness/bluntness, etc., and many times it >>>>> adds to a discussion. >>> >>> I don't want to see him go away either. But his language isn't >>> just direct, it's frequently abusive. There's no excusing his >>> attack on Godfrey. Godfrey and I have gone toe-to-toe on more >>> than one occasion, but we managed to do it without being >>> disgusting and personally abusive. >>> >>> Bill has responded to me in an ugly fashion on more than one >>> occasion when I disagreed with him , and I've called him out on >>> it every time.In response, he grows even more vile. Yes, I can be >>> aggressive, but I don't resort to personal attacks. To do so is >>> childish and totally unacceptable. >>> >>> ?There are those that Bill never abuses, even when they disagree >>> with him, apparently they have gained his favor. That's fine. But >>> I'm not going to tolerate his nastiness, and I don't think anyone >>> else should have to either. If he wants to behave like an adult, >>> he should come back. Otherwise, he should disappear. Paul >>> >>> >>>>> ?As I said, the only problem here was the use of the word >>>>> "faggot". ? It was an inappropriate choice of word and >>>>> Paul's comparison to the use of "nigger: was accurate. ?If >>>>> someone referred to a person of color as a "nigger" in the >>>>> heat of an argument then people would be appalled and the >>>>> orginal argument would become moot. This has nothing to do >>>>> with strong opinions or heated responses. ?It about the use >>>>> of a word that has moved beyond its casual use and has become >>>>> a vile pejorative in the eyes of many. ?Words change their >>>>> connotations and sometimes misunderstandings occur during >>>>> the transition period. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "> Come on Bill - that would mean I will overtake you in >>>>> longevity here - >>>>>>> now that's really gotta hurt ?;-) >>>>>>> -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
