Thanks for your thoughts... I wonder about the Dark Adapted software...I'm not familiar - Do you find that you need that extra intervention to get your monitor to a low enough brightness level? Because you are working mostly in the evenings, In the dark, I assume? My editing is usually during the daytime - until 3pm, when everybody comes back home, then the party's over...
On Sep 27, 2012, at 2:28 PM, Joseph McAllister <pentax...@mac.com> wrote: > I too have both an Apple iMac 24" glossy, and an HP mate screen. I got the HP > thinking it would be better for image manipulation, or watching streaming > movies while I worked. In fact, I work and watch movies on the iMac, using > the HP for windows, email, genealogy. > > There is a picture window behind me on the other side of the room. The > monitors are both at a 35° angle to that window. The iMac does show > reflections off anything shiny in the room during the day, so that has to be > controlled, though they do not bother me. My attention is on the screen. The > reflections (very few, by the way) are not even noticed. I do have the iMac > screen tilted towards me just a bit so that window is off the top of the > screen. If I scrunch down in my chair, there it is. Never affects my work > though. > > I will add that all my Aperture work with photographs is done in the evening > illuminated only by a single gooseneck behind me, pointed at the ceiling for > the soft indirect light of a 60 watt curly fluorescent energy saving bulb. > When printing, I use a Verilux lamp over the desk which only turn on to view > prints, and read the fine print on anything that has fine print. It's bright. > > Yet another factor is that the Colorvision Spyder 2 unit I use to calibrate > the iMac monitor will only see the iMac. No second monitor support unless I > want to upgrade through who knows how many generational changes in the > hardware and software. The uncalibrated HP comes very close to what the > calibrated iMac displays. > > Whipping a Fuji/Andrew Darling/Kodak designed color test chart back and forth > between the monitors shows me two things. The Apple monitor is slightly > warmer, with less variation between them than that of my two eyes. My left is > warmer. And the grey scale when seen on the HP doesn't resolve the last two > blacks in a 21 step scale under my normal viewing condition. > > But, I have both monitors set to only 60% of intensity using "Dark Adapted" > software. If I am going to print or work on something that will be on > display on the net, it allows a closer representation of what others will > see. I take the iMac up to 100% for watching a movie. Dark Adapted keeps the > color of both screens balanced regardless of intensity, but I like to have > detail in the darks when streaming a movie. > > Anything more you want to know, ask. I'm moving this weekend, so you may not > get an answer for a week or so. Sorry. > > On Sep 27, 2012, at 09:57 , Christine Nielsen wrote: > >> Thanks Rick, Bruce & George. I appreciate your thoughts on this. >> >> Spent the last hour at the Apple store, looking at the Thunderbolt >> monitor. Considering taking one home for 14 days to see how it >> goes... but I'm not happy about it. >> >> -c >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Rick Womer <rwomer1...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> I have done a lot of photo editing on my MBP with a glossy screen (though >>> do most on a 24 in Dell). >>> >>> If you are in a diffusely-lit room, not so bad. >>> >>> If there is a bright light (e.g. window or lamp) behind you or in front of >>> you, the reflections are a PITA. >>> >>> Overall, a matte screen is considerably better. >>> >>> I really like the way Apple products work, but I +REALLY+ wish they >>> recognized that the rest of the world exists. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Rick >>> >>> http://photo.net/photos/RickW >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Christine Nielsen <ch...@inielsen.net> >>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net> >>> Cc: >>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 10:40 AM >>> Subject: Thunderbolt mac + Dell monitor = color mgt nightmare >>> >>> Just a cautionary tale... >>> >>> This summer we replaced the older mac mini that I have been using.. >>> the new model is equipped with Thunderbolt. Hooked it up to my Dell >>> U3011 monitor. Been beating my head against the wall ever since, >>> trying to get prints that match the screen. Have calibrated & fiddled >>> until the cows come home, but still get prints that look >>> oversaturated & red. Yesterday, I finally stumbled upon a setting >>> that said the Input Color Format the monitor was receiving was YPbPr, >>> not RGB. Setting to RGB input produces an unholy magenta freakshow of >>> a picture. >>> >>> Down the rabbit hole I went.... Long story short, the new thunderbolt >>> machines don't send RGB to the Dell.. or is it the Dell can only read >>> YPbPr from the mac...? Don't know, but the thing can't be calibrated >>> (apparently) in this situation. >>> >>> The problem is documented on various forums, but not much of a >>> solution on the horizon, eg: >>> http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/peripherals/f/3529/p/19458525/20148889.aspx >>> >>> The only monitor that will work correctly with the mac appears to be >>> the thunderbolt monitors... which are all glossy. >>> >>> So... just how bad would the glossy screen be? Anyone out there use >>> one? Thoughts? As I try to decide which apparatus becomes a very >>> expensive paperweight: the dell monitor, or the thunderbolt mac mini, >>> it would be good to have input on that. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> :( >>> -c > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
