When I do Black and white on the Epson v500 I have made a file that is in _saved in grayscale_... seems to me that problems with color cast I've had were a combination of the type of paper I was printing on and the profile.

get absolutely black and white prints if I print on epson matte paper.
I think I did pretty well with the high gloss Ilford that is akin to the
nice metallic paper

hi guys :-)

ann - just hopped in for a few mins


On 4/1/2013 21:28, Jack Davis wrote:
Thanks again, Paul.

Jack


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Subject: Re: Printing B&W

I used to be able to get decent BW prints with an Epson 1200, which doesn't 
have multiple blacks. It's much easier with one of the newer multi-black 
printers like the 3000 or the 2880, but you should be able to get acceptable BW 
results with the 1800.

You don't need or want access to the color controls in the printing program.Turn off all 
color controls and adjust color in PhotoShop. Select "let photoshop control 
colors" in your printing setup box. Use the Epson icc profile for the premium luster 
paper. It's very accurate. Render your photo as a grayscale image in PhotoShop, then 
convert it to whatever your PhotoShop color space is set to. Prophoto RGB or Adobe 98 RGB 
for example.  If your monitor calibration is accurate, the image in an RGB odor space 
should remain BW with no color tint. Then print with photoshop controlling the color. You 
may get a slight color case, but you should be pretty close to pure BW.
On Apr 1, 2013, at 6:50 PM, Jack Davis <jdavi...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Thanks, Paul. When I chose "Photoshop controls color" I no longer have access to 
color controls in the printing program. I'm absolutely satisfied that the image to be printed 
is B&W.
I have a pro editor acquaintance to question on such things and he says he does two 
things when it comes to printing B&W. 1) Clean printer heads. 2) Turn off all 
color controls. This person is now retired and working out of his home. I 
understand he makes house calls. I have his business card and am about ready to 
give him a call.

Thanks!

Jack


----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, April 1, 2013 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: Printing B&W

Good results are very difficult to achieve when the printer controls the color. 
Change your setup to Photoshop controls color and turn off all printer color 
control. You can find instructions for printing workflow management on the web.

Paul
On Apr 1, 2013, at 5:39 PM, Jack Davis <jdavi...@yahoo.com> wrote:

            I'm done wasting photo paper...for the moment. I estimate having 
sacrificed about 20 sheets of A3 Ultra Premium Luster in the last 36 hours. 
Would have been more, but I've been interrupted a few times with meals, toilet 
and accompanying my wife in her travels to uninteresting places.
            I have proof of past B&W successes which only serves to make me 
doubt myself rather than the printer. The printer is an Epson Stylus PHOTO R1800 
(remember those?) which I bought new about a dozen years ago.
            The only "calibrating" I've ever done to the system is a fairly 
regular session with Huey whenever I begin to see ghostly shadows bordering images.
            I've given control to the printer and then turned down the available colors (only 
includes magenta, yellow and cyan) to a limit of minus 25. Get a grape blue. If I select "no 
color control" or "photoshop elements manages color" it's a shade of magenta.
I don't do a lot of printing any more, but seems it's a B&W when I do. Color 
hasn't been a problem.
I've made several trips to my favorite lab in Sacramento in recent years, always to get a 
B&W done that I'm pressed to supply. I, also, do that when I need a print larger than 
13"x 19."
            I've figured out that a new printer would solve my problem, but I'd 
likely not be around long enough to use it up.
            If you're familiar with the printer and have any thoughts that may 
help, please pass them along.

Thanks!

Jack

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