I brought up the Unix credo as something to be emulated not Unix itself,
which I thought I made perfectly clear.
I'll cop to making a comment on your ahistorical attitude maybe. But
lecturing you on UNIX? I wouldn't presume, I haven't worked on software
to run under UNIX in 10 years.
You attempted to deflect, and then decided to put words in my mouth.
I thought this was a discussion of the UI on a camera? Is it that
necessary that you win? Ok, you win.
On 10/28/2013 8:54 PM, David Parsons wrote:
Please don't lecture me about Unix or it's history.
You tout Unix as an example of a utopian set of programs that are
simple and good design, then go on to say that they suffer from the
exact same thing you don't like about cameras.
I'm curious why you put so much stock into what reviewers are saying,
Does the product work for you? Are the video options actively
hindering you taking pictures? If not, what's the big deal?
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 7:15 PM, P.J. Alling <webstertwenty...@gmail.com> wrote:
You obviously know little about the history of UNIX. Feature creep infected
it early, but it doesn't change the original concept, and some versions
remained true to that concept for a long time, not BSD unfortunately. It
also doesn't change my point, though maybe it proves it. If I wanted to
make movies I'd get camera designed for it.
It's really nice that my, fill in the blank, DSLR, MILC, P&S, whatever, can
make pretty decent movies, but that's not why I bought it. Don't obscure
the still photo abilities of a in this case this case DSLR to do something
it's not designed to do. As I think I mentioned, a lot of reviewers were
upset that the K-5 was kind of clunky at getting into video mode, and Ricoh,
listened. But is that really a good thing for still photographers?
On 10/28/2013 10:14 AM, David Parsons wrote:
I really don't think you should be looking to the Unix world for
simplicity and design cues.
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 9:57 AM, P.J. Alling <webstertwenty...@gmail.com>
wrote:
It's not the simplicity itself that's at issue. It's the original UNIX
creed, programs that do one thing well.
I want a still camera that does still photography well, that's
ergonomically
suited to it. Something that takes good quality photographs printable up
to
a certain size. I don't care if the camera makes movies, really good
movies
require seeing in ways that I just don't see. Really good movies, unless
they're good due to compelling subject matter, require planning that even
Ansel Adams didn't need to do. As a still photographer, using what used
to
be called a minicam,
I want a Camera that doesn't get in my way, but has all the necessary
controls readily available to take still pictures. That should be control
over the three parts parts of exposure, ISO, Aperture, Shutter Speed.
Control over the meter with selectable spot averaging and the program.
The
ability to turn the anti shake system on or off quickly, as conditions
warrant. In auto focus modes the ability to choose focus points quickly.
I shoot raw so it's not quite so important that I change color balance
quickly though it does help get good exposures. So that shouldn't be
buried
to deeply in a menu either.
For tripod work getting into a true mirror lockup would be nice too.
On the K20D Pentax got almost all of those things right. All the
shooting
controls are right there. Shutter and Aperture are controlled by two
wheels, ISO press the OK button and turn the front wheel. Metering
pattern
is right there under the mode dial. SR a switch on the back of the
camera.
White balance on the quick menu. Change a focus point, in shooting mode
right there on the four way controller.
The only thing you need to take your cameras from your eye for is white
balance.
Tho only real deficiency is mirror lockup for tripod work.
We can discuss the cameras deficiencies as a photographic tool at length,
it
has many and can be extremely frustrating, but it's control layout for
the
still photographer is better than almost any other camera I've had a
chance
to play with, (I say almost because I only got to handle a Nikon D3 for a
very short period of time so that might be better), though I still liked
the
quick white balance setup on the *ist-D.
On 10/27/2013 9:25 PM, David Parsons wrote:
He should just use a film camera if he's that worried about simplicity
and video creep.
I can say that I've never accidentally turned on video on any camera I
own.
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 8:39 PM, P.J. Alling
<webstertwenty...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Ruminating on the K-3 and the various reviews of the K-5 family of
cameras
where the reviewer took off points for clunky ways to get into video
mode,
(this was especially true of DPReview IIRC), I found myself wanting to
scream in the guy's face. "What is it about it being primarily a
"Still"
camera that you don't get?" This little article from Luminous
Landscape
makes covers most of my arguments, without the Pending assault charges,
though I think his plea for simplicity of control might go a bit too
far
in
the other direction, and having a third dial dedicated entirely to
ISO...
Pushing a button and turning one of the e-dials isn't all that onerous
as
long as the button is in a convenient location.
NO Pentax content in the essay but hell half of us don't use Pentax as
our
primary camera system anymore anyway.
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/an_appeal_for_divergence_and_simplicity.shtml
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