Adobe doesn't have my confidence either.
Anybody who wants to get in my machine every time I sign on is not my friend.
And, there is a new version of the PDF reader they want to download every time.
I believe that is bullshit.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 4:37 PM, steve harley <p...@paper-ape.com> wrote:
> on 2014-02-01 9:50 Christine Aguila wrote
>>
>> Hi Everyone:
>>
>> Anyone using Adobe's Creative Cloud?  Any thoughts, recommendations, or
>> criticisms?  Lastly, why kind of specs does your computer need to have for
>> an enjoyable user experience?  Ram, storage, et al.
>
>
> i have used Photoshop and Illustrator since the early 90s, and InDesign
> since its public beta; i had a CC subscription when it launched; canceled it
> last May when the intro price, $30/month, went up to $50; i doubt my
> situation is that uncommon -- i have a background and a small current
> sideline as a graphics professional, so i have occasional uses for InDesign,
> Acrobat, Photoshop & Illustrator, but not quite enough to justify $600/year;
> that could change (i do a significant amount with QuarkXPress still, but my
> client supplies a license), and it's nice to think i can jump back into
> InDesign when needed without forking over "full price"; but by pricing me
> out, Adobe has caused me to use other tools and gradually lose my chops with
> the Adobe apps ... for example i do text with markdown and sometimes Pages,
> and i find Pixelmator is great for quick hack jobs on images (has layers,
> type, and a lot more, but is not nearly as precise, nor do i trust its
> color)
>
> when i did subscribe, i found i really disliked CC's required update tool on
> the Mac; and from a professional standpoint there are serious concerns about
> no recourse for version-specific bugs and incompatibilities -- one can't
> retain multiple versions of what the subscription supplies, as one could
> with the traditional license, and Adobe historically has taken years to fix
> significant bugs introduced by new versions
>
> overall Adobe doesn't have my confidence; its professional apps have a
> guaranteed market in the short term, but its long-term strategy seems to be
> focused on the consumer, not pro, market; i regret that Adobe ever dominated
> the market as it did, because that set us up for trouble when print
> publishing stopped being a growth industry -- for example, without Adobe's
> dominance i think it might have felt pressure to gradate prices depending on
> the subscribers' needs (student pricing is worth looking at, though)
>
> i do think if you need just Photoshop and LR and you qualify, $10/month is a
> pretty good price; LightRoom seems to have a growthful future both for pros
> and consumers, so it may be insulated from the market-dominance side effects
>
> as for hardware requirements, it depends on the type of documents you
> produce; with InDesign, longer and/or more complex documents can slow things
> down a lot, and benefit from faster machines; InDesign is not a lightweight
> application, i found the CC version slowish with moderately complex
> documents (2 pages, but hundreds of elements) on my quad-i7 laptop with 16GB
> RAM; the i5 vs i7 probably makes less difference than the amount of RAM and
> the speed of your drives; i understand newer iMacs use "desktop" versions of
> i5 & i7 CPUs, which differ less in their performance than the "mobile"
> versions of the same; a large display is also helpful, as InDesign is very
> palette-happy
>
>
>
>
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