LOL! My opinions remain, as always, based on my experience of these products. I owned three Chrysler cars ... Worst crap I ever drove. Every friend of mine who's had an Audi has had nothing but problems with it, and sold it for something in a reliable Japanese car within a year or two ... Or a Mercedes. Not one of those who bought a Lexus, Infiniti, or Mercedes has had any problems with them. My little yellow lump has proved very sound and reliable too.
I really don't care what the opinion of an ad man in the employ of a company has to say. He's too involved in his work and has to have passion for the product to succeed. Nothing wrong with that. GM is doing some good things today. And Chrysler-FIAT might too. Not that I care much, I'll never again buy either of their products if I can help it. I'd rather walk or take the bus. :-) Godfrey > On Apr 27, 2014, at 1:55 PM, Paul Stenquist <pnstenqu...@comcast.net> wrote: > > Your ignorance is apparent. As always. > > >> On Apr 27, 2014, at 4:52 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <godd...@me.com> wrote: >> >> Far as I'm concerned, Paul, Chrysler was always a failure. Even worse crap >> than GM. I'm glad the Italians control them now. >> >> And Audi is a brand-engineered VW. >> >> But please, let's not divert from the entertaining Leica bashing. :-) >> it's somewhat closer to the supposed topic of this forum. >> >> Godfrey >> >> >>> On Apr 27, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Paul Stenquist <pnstenqu...@comcast.net> wrote: >>> >>> Oh my! You do invent your own reality, don’t your? I was there when Daimler >>> and Chrysler “merged," working on the Chrysler ad biz, so I’ll educate you. >>> Chrysler never owend" Daimler. Eaton and the rest of Chrysler management >>> sold out to Daimler for a huge amount of cash. Daimler was calling all the >>> shots. Hell, they sent Dieter Zetsche, who is now Daimler CEO, here to run >>> the Chrylser group. (Zetsche was a nice guy. We had a good time at Daytona >>> when Dodge premiered in NASCAR, but his loyalty was definitely to the >>> motherland.) At the time, Mercedes was not doing well, but Chrysler had 9 >>> billion dollars in the bank. Daimler emptied Chrysler’s piggy bank in a >>> matter of years, then left town, leaving a broke and decimated Chrylser >>> behind. Cerebus dragged the carcass around for a few years, then Marchione >>> came to town and saved Chrysler. Unlike Daimler, Marchione really means it. >>> He wants Chrylser to succeed. And they are. >>> >>> I worked on the Mercede-Benz ad biz as well at McCaffrey & McCall in the >>> 1980s. (My commercial, “Interview” iis still considered the best Mercedes >>> spot of all time and it won the Gold Clio for best automotive spot of >>> 1990.) Mercedes was on a roll when I wrote that commercial, but withing >>> months Lexus and Infiniti came on the scene, and Daimler panicked. They >>> told me they could no longer be “Emgineered Like No Other Car In the >>> World.” It was too arrogant. And they took a lot of content out of the cars >>> so they could match the prices of the Japanese cars. I bailed and went to >>> Detroit, and Mercedes quality declined. But the Germans are smart and they >>> have a huge pool of engineering talent to draw on. Mercedes has made gains >>> in recent years, but they never quite recovred. In many ways, they still >>> trail BMW and Audi. And of course it’s heresy in the PC world, but Cadillac >>> is producing better products than Mercedes for some segments — the ATS vs. >>> the C-Class and the CTS vs. the E-class. Mercedes has a future, but they’re >>> not the world leader they were in the 1980s. >>> >>> Here’s “Interview,” if you’d like to see it: >>> http://stenquist.org/Paul/MercedesEngineer.htm >>>> On Apr 27, 2014, at 4:13 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <godfreydigio...@me.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Plenty of them around here. But their quality did suffer a bit through the >>>> years of Chrysler ownership. They were sensible to get rid of Chrysler, >>>> even at a loss. >>>> >>>> G >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Apr 26, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Paul Stenquist <pnstenqu...@comcast.net> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Not many ten year old Mercs though. Intimately familiar with that >>>>> company. Unfortunately. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>>> follow the directions. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
