So interesting, John. Thanks. I've parked much of the information to be read later. As an aside; claimed basis for the expression,"whole nine yards." Explained to me some years ago: Second WW fighter plane machine guns were supplied with bullet bandoliers of nine yards in length. If a gunner emptied the bandoliers of bullets, it was said: "he gave them the whole nine yards." I wonder where the expression "really" comes from. <G>
Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "John" <sesso...@earthlink.net> To: "PDML" <pdml@pdml.net> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 2:00:55 PM Subject: Re: road trip pics Either "take with a grain of salt" or try to find a low sodium substitute 8-D They're not "telescoping" sections per se, but they can be raised, lowered, removed & replaced. Looking again at Christine's image of the "Friendship" in Salem, MA it does look like the Mizzen Topmast has been lowered. There's a stub of the lower mast that protrudes above the crosstrees (that little platform in the middle of the masts). The lower part of the mast is that vertical black stripe. The three masts are the Foremast (in the front), Mainmast (in the middle) & the Mizzen (Mizzenmast). Usually on a full rigged ship the Mainmast is the tallest, the Foremast is the second tallest, and the Mizzen is the third tallest. The sections of a mast (from the deck up) are the Lower (or "Mast"), Topmast, Topgallant mast, Royal mast. In Paul's photo the Topgallant masts are fitted on all three masts. In Christine's photo, only the Topmasts appear to be fitted & the Mizzen Topmast appears to be in a stowed position. Typically, sailing ships would carry spare sections of masts & spars in case part of a mast was carried away in a storm. In an emergency, one of the spars could be substituted for a portion of a mast. Technically, all masts, booms, yards or gaffs are spars; their names tell as much about how they are rigged as about their size & shape. The tapering spars that hold the tops of the square sails are called "yards". One good source for nautical terms & how they're used are the works of C.S. Forrester, particularly the Horatio Hornblower series. Another good source (although not quite so much fun) is Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_rigged_ship https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rigging https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yard_%28sailing%29 Everything I know about the subject came from one of those two sources. PS: http://www.ageofsail.net/aostermi.asp PPS: A full rigged ship with three full masts (Mast, Topmast & Topgallant Mast) would nominally have had 9 yards (3 x 3) to hold up it's sails, and has been suggested as the source of the expression "the whole nine yards". On 6/29/2014 1:11 PM, Jack Davis wrote: > Thanks, John. I'm unable to decipher your salty nautical jargon, but > I may have asked a question a couple days ago that you may have just > answered. I mused about the possibility that one or more of these > masks might typically have a telescoping upper section that could be > lowered or raised. I wondered if Christine's schooner's aft mast > might have been lowered to accommodate a desired sail configuration. > To your knowledge, is it possible? Thanks! > > Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "John" > <sesso...@earthlink.net> To: "PDML" <pdml@pdml.net> Sent: Sunday, > June 29, 2014 9:13:40 AM Subject: Re: road trip pics > > Looks like the same ship to me. > > In Paul's photo the Topmasts & Topgallant masts are fitted. > > In Christine's photo the Topgallant masts are not fitted & Mizzen > Topmast is not stepped. > > In both photos it's the same square-rigged, three-masted hull. > > http://www.salemweb.com/frndship/ > > PS: It's not a schooner. Christine's IMG1006 is a schooner. > > > > On 6/28/2014 9:04 AM, Paul wrote: >> Yeah, I saw that, but thought it was a optical illusion because one >> is facing in and the other facing out. I guess they're similar but >> not the same. >> >> -p >> >> On 6/27/2014 5:27 PM, Jack Davis wrote: >>> Well, OK. They both have three masts, but yours are all tall >>> while Christine's has two tall masts and one much shorter mast. >>> IOW, they are not the same schooner. Now tell me you hadn't >>> noticed the difference. >>> >>> J >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Paul" <pentax1...@gmail.com> To: "PDML" <pdml@pdml.net> >>> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 12:08:39 PM Subject: Re: road trip >>> pics >>> >>> Three each? Or am I missing something? >>> >>> -p >>> >>> On 6/27/2014 12:17 PM, Jack Davis wrote: >>>> The mast counts do not match up, Paul. That's how busy I am >>>> today. :-\ >>>> >>>> Jack >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" >>>> <pentax1...@gmail.com> To: "PDML" <pdml@pdml.net> Sent: Friday, >>>> June 27, 2014 9:44:49 AM Subject: Re: road trip pics >>>> >>>> A fun chronicle of your trip. Glad to hear it was a good >>>> stress reliever. >>>> >>>> Haven't seen the Liberty Bell since 1967. It's nice to see it's >>>> not buried in security. ...and I *do* like the selfie. >>>> >>>> I think I have a pix of that same ship in Salem...but taken >>>> late on a chilly, November day. >>>> >>>> http://tinyurl.com/oe6p742 >>>> >>>> -p >>>> >>>> On 6/26/2014 12:28 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: >>>>> Thanks for the trip Christine. Nice to see the Liberty Bell >>>>> again and the kids, plus Boston Harbor with the jet landing >>>>> at Logan. My cousin lives in Salem and it's a quaint town. It >>>>> goes crazy for Haloween with the witches and all. The Mark >>>>> Twain study and your selfie does capture you 2. Glad you >>>>> missed the deer on the way home. They could ruin a good >>>>> vacation. Regards, Bob S. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 1:30 AM, Christine Aguila >>>>> <christ...@caguila.com> wrote: >>>>>> Hi Everyone: >>>>>> >>>>>> Just a few road trip pics—nothing great. We visited a lot >>>>>> of author homes, but unfortunately no interior photography >>>>>> was allowed, so I spared you the exterior shots of the >>>>>> houses. I do include Mark Twain’s Study—an octagon shaped >>>>>> building specifically built for him at his in-laws’ farm >>>>>> near Elmira, NY—built so he could write undisturbed during >>>>>> his summer visits to the farm. This building is now owned >>>>>> by Elmira College and located on campus. There was no >>>>>> student ambassador around to let us in, but I took some >>>>>> photos through the windows and converted to BW. They are >>>>>> included here. >>>>>> >>>>>> Visiting the author homes was great—fun to stand in >>>>>> Emerson’s study, the bedrooms where Little Women was >>>>>> written (Concord, MA) and that tiny women in Amherst, MA >>>>>> penned all those delightful poems, and, of course, seeing >>>>>> the Seven Gables that inspired the House of Seven Gables >>>>>> was fun as well (Salem, MA). Twain’s home in Hartford, CT >>>>>> is absolutely amazing and very well preserved, but >>>>>> interestingly, the Emerson family STILL owns Emerson’s >>>>>> home: the tour guide informed us, “We all work for the >>>>>> Emerson family.” Something really cool about that. Sara >>>>>> Orne Jewett’s house in South Berwick, ME is also a great >>>>>> house, but the town is not much to speak of. >>>>>> >>>>>> I’d never seen Philly, so we did all the historical stuff >>>>>> in one day, then left early the next for Hartford et al. >>>>>> Spent a few days in Boston—Freedom Trail, Boat ride, and >>>>>> Museum of Fine Arts—the Copley collection there is >>>>>> fantastic—then headed for Salem, MA. >>>>>> >>>>>> We also paid homage to author tombstones, but I spared you >>>>>> those photos as well, though Sleepy Hollow was amazing—many >>>>>> pilgrims travel to these markers and leave stones, pencils, >>>>>> pens, other trinkets—lots of small stones at Dickinson’s >>>>>> marker. Chronic dappled lighting made the markers somewhat >>>>>> of challenge to photograph. Famous people seem to love >>>>>> pretty spots near trees. >>>>>> >>>>>> We traveled for 16 days by car, moved on nearly every 1-3 >>>>>> days. As I look back now it was a dizzying pace, and the >>>>>> driving challenging: I nearly got us killed at a small >>>>>> round-about in Concord, MA. >>>>>> >>>>>> And we drove 12 hours straight from Elmira, NY to Chicago. >>>>>> The drive home started early, and we had the road nearly to >>>>>> ourselves, enjoying the quiet, morning fog, and the lovely >>>>>> tree studded hills and valleys of NY. But then a large doe >>>>>> jumped out in front of us. Fortunately, Darrel swerved >>>>>> right, the doe kept left, leaving no damage to car, person, >>>>>> or animal. I gushed over Darrel for his quick response, and >>>>>> the trip continued uneventful, that is, until we were >>>>>> literally 5 minutes from home. At a speed about 15 miles >>>>>> per hour, I turned a corner for the final 5 minute stretch >>>>>> home, only to have to slow down to let one of our >>>>>> neighborhood deer, traveling about .5 miles per hour, cross >>>>>> the road. Uncanny! >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyway, here are the pics! Cheers, Christine >>>>>> http://www.caguila.com/pdmllit/index.html -- PDML -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
