According to some, a homicide by remote vehicle control already happened
in the death of Michael Hastings. Hastings was killed when he lost
control & crashed a 2013 Mercedes C250 at high speed.
I don't know if I accept that or not, but certainly recent
demonstrations have proved those who deny that it is possible are wrong.
http://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/
This article addresses the system Chrysler has installed in Jeep
Cherokees, but BMW Assist, Mercedes-Benz mbrace, GM OnStar, Ford Sync
and Hyundai Blue Link have been shown to be equally vulnerable.
Note that the hackers involved in the Wired.com article are funded by
the DoD's DARPA program. The conspiracy folks claim it was the DoD who
murdered Michael Hastings.
On 8/31/2015 10:01 AM, P.J. Alling wrote:
On the whole, that's an exceedingly bad idea. Whose time is coming. I'm
likely won't be around to see it. With computer controlled anti lock
breaks, and computer controlled cruse control, and most every modern car
having it's owned assigned IP address it's only a matter of time before
we have the first recorded homicide by hacking a cars cpu(s) and
network. The more control the computer in the car has the more control
a hacker can achieve. That's assuming there aren't gross errors in the
programming to begin with.
On 8/31/2015 2:07 AM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
P.s. I think that in 10-15 years time we'll be seeing moves to make it
illegal for humans to drive cars.
When self-driving cars start appearing on our roads they will be so
much safer than human-driven ones that it will be difficult to argue
against. For example, why would a boy-racer ever give way to a
self-driving ('automobile'!) car, knowing that it will always give way?
I don't think the few petrol-heads who'll be left will be too bothered
about it either. Half the fun of current cars comes from the sound of
the engine, and the direct relationship between the controls and
movement of the car. As drive-by-wire and silent, or artificial sound,
cars come along that direct connection is lost along with the feelings
of control and exercise of skill that makes driving so much fun.
>From the point of view of cities this will be a good thing. We'll be able to
get rid of most of the street signs and similar car-related street furniture that
is so disfiguring of beautiful architecture, and it will reduce congestion.
If you think digital cameras have been revolutionary, you ain't seen
nothin' yet.
B
On 31 Aug 2015, at 05:48, Bob W-PDML <p...@web-options.com> wrote:
I like driving. The last car I owned was an MG B Roadster, but the
times I got to actually enjoy it were so few and far between that the
hassles massively outweighed the pleasures. Utility driving - which
is probably 99% of car use for most people - is just a huge pain in
the arse.
And as for the countryside, it is of course mass car use that is
destroying it - the pleasure of driving in it has a high cost. I get
far more enjoyment from cycling and walking in the countryside than I
ever did from driving in it
B
On 31 Aug 2015, at 01:00, Ken Waller <kwal...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
I find driving a car, especially a well handling, responsive car, to
be almost therapeutic and a great way to relax and enjoy the
countryside - can't put a dollar value on that.
Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob W-PDML" <p...@web-options.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Woo Hoo!
On 30 Aug 2015, at 10:52, Malcolm Smith <rrve...@virginmedia.com>
wrote:
Bob W wrote:
And then there are all the other costs that car ownership entails.
Owning a car is a modern form of slavery. Getting rid of mine was
on a
par with giving up smoking as far as feeling liberated is concerned.
[...]t the
practical truth is it is quicker to go from A to B on most local
trips by
cycling rather than car (although I need very little persuasion to
take the
cycle!). You can spend as long finding a parking place as it did
to drive
there - pointless. [...]
People can get a very warped perception of the so-called benefits
of using a car. I've often been with people who've chosen to drive
somewhere when I've decided to walk or ride, starting from the same
place, and I've arrived there long before they have. This can
sometimes be over distances of several miles, but because the other
people have lost the very idea of leaving the car behind they have
also lost the idea of how much it has crippled them.
My normal commute to work, for example, is 8 miles each way, and
cycling it is quicker than all other forms of transport.
B
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