Its a Mangelsen photo. All the photos in his galleries are by him. He had
galleries in several cities (I've been to his galleries in Santa Barbara,
Ca., Jackson Hole ,Wy. and in the Pittsburgh Airport). His were the best
photographic galleries I've ever had the pleasure of visiting.
I just don't see the three** of them standing tripod to tripod to tripod
photographing the same trio of bears. So who plagiarized whom?
There's no plagiarizing going on here IMO. Mangelsen and Ward are well known
outdoor photogs and travel extensively to capture the images they seek.
Polar bears are a favorite subject for alot of outdoor photographers and are
photographed in numerous place. Just because similar images are taken by
several photographers doesn't mean there is any plagiarizing going on -
except maybe from the first photog to show a polar bear image like "Winter
Solace". As far as I know, Mangelsen was the first pro photog to shown a
Grizzly bear at Brooks Falls in Katmai Alaska, with a salmon jumping into
its mouth. All similar shots like his have been called the Mangelsen shot by
other pros.
Finally, that's a mighty cheap looking frame for an image that sold for so
much.
As noted on the Mangelsen web page, he offers the image in 8 different
display options from framed to canvas only.
A limited edition print should also be signed & numbered, usually on the
mat.
According to Mangelsen's web page - "All Mangelsen limited edition
photographs are assigned a unique number and hand-signed by the artist. Each
photograph includes a certificate of authenticity".
Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
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I note that Mangelsen Gallery doesn't identify a photographer, but
presumably if
another photographer had taken it, the gallery would attribute it to them,
so it
"must" have been taken by Thomas Mangelsen. ???
That raises more questions than it answers.
We now have three versions of the same image (one a mirror copy) supposedly
taken by Thomas Mangelsen, Kennan Ward and/or Tom & Pat Leeson.
I just don't see the three** of them standing tripod to tripod to tripod
photographing the same trio of bears. So who plagiarized whom?
I still wonder how the two versions of the image came to be mirrored and was
it
taken in Churchill in Manitoba or at ANWR in Alaska ... or somewhere else?
But
that's the least of the questions I have about the image.
Another thing ... if it was purchased from Mangelsen Gallery, there should
be a
label on the back, especially if it's a limited edition print (certificate
of
authenticity?). A limited edition print should also be signed & numbered,
usually on the mat.
Finally, that's a mighty cheap looking frame for an image that sold for so
much.
On 12/19/2018 22:49:33, ann sanfedele wrote:
John - Ken wrote me off list - I didnt realise he had not sent his reply
to the list.. As a result of his correct ID I replied...
Third attribution today... I think you have the right answer -- The price
adds up to what friend 1 paid for it
https://www.mangelsen.com/platinum-level-images/winter-solace-2446.html
and who was it that noted that it could have been taken on a photo outing
in in Churchill - I knew (or felt certain that was where it was taken)
thanks, Ken
ann
On 12/19/2018 8:04 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
Ann, it's a Thomas Mangelsen image titled "Winter Solace", one of 1500
copies, with only 5 left for sale by Mangelsen - it goes for $1595. A
mother polar bear and cubs are a familiar subject for those that
photograph them.
Hope this helps.
On 12/19/2018 10:31 PM, John wrote:
This particular trio of bears appears to have been photographed at ANWR -
the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska.
On 12/19/2018 17:42:41, Jostein wrote:
My thought as well, Bob. A very popular place for North American
photographers is the town Churchill in Canada, situated on the Hudson
Bay where polar bears gather to wait for the bay to freeze over so they
can go hunt seals.
https://www.google.com/search?q=polar+bear+churchill&client=firefox-b&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwibrqiN-6zfAhWEESwKHW2ICKMQsAR6BAgAEAE&biw=1920&bih=1064
Jostein
Den 19.12.2018 22:54, skrev Bob W-PDML:
That's interesting. It looks to me as though the Kennan and Leeson
photos are separate pictures of the same scene, taken at the same time
with the photographers next to each other, for example on the same
expedition/photo tour. Look at the tuft of grass in each one in
relation to the bears - it shows slightly different angles. Or it could
be that the site I linked to had wrongly attributed the photo.
** Four counting Pat Leeson.
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