Well said, Godfrey.

I well remember a heated argument I had with a fellow teacher along those
lines many years ago. He was adamant that photography could never be art.
One could even argue about the type of brush & paint used! And what if the
"artist" had to wear glasses?

Alan C

On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 6:52 AM Godfrey DiGiorgi <godfreydigio...@me.com>
wrote:

> I dunno. Art remains art. An "AI" is just another constructed thing by
> which humans have extended their abilities to influence and manipulate the
> world we live in. We already use automatons to assemble our cars, our toys,
> our cameras, and run a lot of our essential infrastructure. There's really
> little difference between what is Art directly created by human hands and
> Art that is indirectly created by the minds that humans embue their
> machines with.
>
> Until a definitive test of what constitutes machine intelligence exists,
> and until machines can reliably and consistently pass that test, any Art is
> the result of human artiface and mind regardless of whether it is directly
> or indirectly created.
>
> If you want to put a simple limitation on "what is art" to say that it
> must be made by human hands, well, that is just fine … but most photographs
> will then be marginally not-art since we already rely upon a whole range of
> machines, of varying levels of "intelligence", to produce our photographs.
>
> G
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>
> "You can't depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus."
> --Mark Twain
>
> > On Jan 21, 2023, at 6:17 PM, Comcast <pnstenqu...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > But it’s happening. AI is now writing as well. Might as well make the
> best of it. However, I’m glad I’ve reached an age where I probably won’t
> have to compete with a robot for my job.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >> On Jan 21, 2023, at 8:45 PM, ann sanfedele <ann...@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm with you all th way on that , Ralf.
> >>
> >> ann
> >>
> >>> On 1/21/2023 5:47 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:
> >>>> Am 21.01.23 um 22:55 schrieb Henk Terhell:
> >>>> Thanks Ralph, very funny pictures. I guess this is clever photoshop
> work,
> >>>> perhaps even with the assistance of a new AI picture generator.
> >>>> More of such fantasy work will be our future.
> >>>
> >>> Really? The idea of living in a world where you have to keep wondering
> >>> if art is genuine or AI generated gives me the creeps.
> >>>
> >>> Ralf
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