I am sending you thise directly and to the list in case you are still subscribed.
Whilst I agree with the basic sentiment that you express, I do not agree in the manner that you go about it. I have made mistakes, and I was the one that started the 'pope joke' problems, but I at least had the grace to acknowledge that I was out of order and apologise. You should notice that Brad has also apologised for the insults that you seem to refer to, which were mistakenly sent to the list rather than direct. Maybe you don't have a problem with the bad language, but the many comments seen recently make it obvious that a great many people here do, especially as some younger readers are here. It therefore does not seem very considerate of you to perpetuate the problem and possibly offend more people - many of whom have not insulted you and are innocent parties. I too get hundreds of PDML messages, but I can only think of maybe half a dozen in the last month which have contained real insults to people here, and maybe 20-30 that dealt with the pope and royals 'issues'. None of these to my knowledge have been 'one line' insults. If the majority of your messages are insults then it must be people mailing you directly to insult you, in which case I understand your angst, but please do not take it out on the board as a whole. > Until this group gets back to Pentax and photography it has > no appeal for me. At the moment, for every one interesting > post there are at least two, or even three, that are > pointless rubbish. Some of us like pointless rubbish, some people would argue that photography itself is pointless rubbish. If so many of us are taking part, then perhaps it is you that is in the minority in not wanting it here, so you have no right to tell what we can or cannot discuss. Until you modify your attitude, I am not convinced that you have any appeal to the group (although I will not say that I am speaking on their behalf). Please learn from your mistakes, and if you return show that you have taken not that many here do not like profanity - whether you are OK with it or not. I think this is a good bunch and we will all forgive and forget, provided you have the grace not to perpetuate the problem. I wish you all the best during your absence... > -----Original Message----- > From: Dr E D F Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 26 September 2002 09:28 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: SMC Pentax F* Zoom 5,6/250-600 and Bye bye > > > Anthony et al, > > This reply is a personal attack and quite out of place. Now, > try to concentrate and read it carefully: > > Who said I object to bad language as such? That idiot Maytola > divines from my messages that I am a hypocritical prude who > complains about bad language and then uses it himself. Can't > you guys read English? Where do I say anything about > language, bad or otherwise? Use all the obscenities you like, > but stick to Pentax and photography for fucks sake! Calling a > contributor 'Pencil Dick', implying that his head is full of > shit, or telling someone to 'Fuck off' are nasty personal > attacks and are out of place; as are derogatory remarks about > individuals and institutions some of us hold dear. > > I've been getting hundreds of messages from pdml each day. > Many of which have been one line insults; like those you > might overhear in a school yard. And, while cleaning out all > the shit, I'm sure to have deleted some messages that would > have been informative. Why make it so difficult? Why do some > of you find it so hard to keep your typing fingers in check? > > Until this group gets back to Pentax and photography it has > no appeal for me. At the moment, for every one interesting > post there are at least two, or even three, that are > pointless rubbish. I was about to unsubscribe last evening > when another stupid message arrived from Mr Maytola. And I > won't be seeing his smart - at least he'll think it is - > answer to this. But I will take a look in a week or two to > see if things have improved. > > By the way, my name is Don. I started using the 'Dr.' > salutation on my signature to distinguish myself from several > other, well known, Don Williams'. One is a Country and > Western singer, the other an illustrator of children's books. > People looking for my novels (or photo-gallery) on the www > turn up dozens of unrelated Don Williams' hits - I'm trying > to fix that. > > In the remote event of any of you wanting to contact me it > will need to be directly - for the time being anyway. > > D > > Dr E D F Williams > http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: March 30, 2002 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Farr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 4:35 AM Subject: Re: SMC Pentax F* Zoom 5,6/250-600 and Bye bye > Let me get this straight. Doc Williams takes offence at bad language, then > gives us a taste of his own. > > I have only on word in reply to that: "consistency?" > > Regards, > Anthony Farr > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dr E D F Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > ... this puerile shit ... > > > > Dr E D F Williams > > > >
