On 6/25/05 18:02:32, you wrote: > While it [ESL] was not intended to be racist, it was intended to imply > only second or/even third class of support and/or expertise.
Maybe you start looking at your concepts of what "ESL" means WRT quality. For example, TurboPascal, Linux and OpenOffice are systems originated and mostly created by ESL programmers. There's nothing "second or/even third class expertise" connected with "ESL". What happens sometimes is that a subset of ESL programmers that live in low-wage countries get hired by US companies that try to save a dime outsourcing there, without giving those programmers the conditions to do their job right or without hiring programmers that would be able to do so. Not because they couldn't because of their native language, but because the US company that outsources there does so to get it done on less than a shoestring. The problem in these cases are usually not the programmers or their native language, but the (often US-born with English as their native language) managers of the outsourcing company. If they tried to do the job with the same budget in the USA, it wouldn't be done better. The fact that something gets outsourced to "ESL" programmers doesn't say anything about the quality of the result. I venture to say that if a US company should move their maintenance operations to Sweden or Germany (both are "ESL" countries), the result is not necessarily worse than if they move it to any place in the USA. The same goes for India (what you may have been thinking of), if done right. So maybe next time you say "second rate programmers" if you mean "second rate programmers", and not say "ESL programmers". There's nothing inherent "first rate" in a US programmer (even though they definitely exist), and there's nothing inherent "second rate" in an ESL programmer (even though they definitely exist). Gerhard ____________________________________________________________ You are subscribed to the PEDA discussion forum To Post messages: mailto:[email protected] Unsubscribe and Other Options: http://techservinc.com/mailman/listinfo/peda_techservinc.com Browse or Search Old Archives (2001-2004): http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] Browse or Search Current Archives (2004-Current): http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]
