Hi Stephen! But why not assign Father, Son and Holy Spirit to Symbol, Index and Icon (3,2,1)? Because "Eyes to see and ears to hear" to me seems the way an icon is perceived at first.
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The classic Christian Trinity triad is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Icon Index Symbol > Creator, Incarnation, Gift of the Spirit to those with eyes to see and ears to hear.
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On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 6:30 PM, Helmut Raulien <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Sung, Lists,I so far rather think, that firstness is associated to representamen, and secondness to object. So I propose the following assignment, though just in the context of the christian God (because in christian religion there is already a triad, the trinity, which, I think, is ancient semiotics, a quite Peircean approach, long before Peirce):Firstness: Representamen relation, possibility: Holy Spirit. What spirits usually do is appear, and so they are representamens, because representamens also appear and with their appearance they create a possibility for whatever to happen next.Secondness: Object relation, actuality, in this case indexical: Jesus, whose (said) descent from both a human (Mary), and God, is supposed to be working as an actual index (to humans) for the actual connection between God and Humans.Thirdness: Interpretant relation, Relation: God as creator or, in other words, ground of evolution as well as aim of evolution (By this translation "in other words" I want to stress, that I am not agreeing with creationism).In other religions I think there are also such irreducible triads, like Sat, Cit, Ananda, but also dyads like Mazda-Ariman. I think it is all not reality but a matter of trying to find models for reality, and it is interesting to look for quasi-Peircean models in religions. On the other hand I am aware, that Peirce himself has interpreted the trinity and assigned its parts differently than I just did. Which makes me insecure, but I post it although, as it is not a theory to be stated, but only a proposal in the work and discussion in progress, as always.Best, HelmutGesendet: Sonntag, 10. Mai 2015 um 04:19 Uhr
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Betreff: [PEIRCE-L] Can it be that God is irreducibly triadic, a Peircean sign, and a mathematical category ?Hi,----------------------------- PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to [email protected] . To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message not to PEIRCE-L but to [email protected] with the line "UNSubscribe PEIRCE-L" in the BODY of the message. More at http://www.cspeirce.com/peirce-l/peirce-l.htm .There are many definitions of God or its equivalents (Substance, Form, Dao, Gnergy, etc.) but all of these abstract nouns may share one thing in common, namely, the IRREDUCIBLE TRIADICITY. That is, these concepts may not be completely described without employing three mutually linked terms, concepts, or principles, like Borromean rings. This idea can be diagrammatically represented as follows, which I hope is self-explanatory:f gGod as Possibility ------> God as Actuality -------> God as Regularity
(Firstness) (Secondness) (Thirdness)
[Object] [Representamen] [Interpretant]| ^
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|________________________________________|hFigure 1. The hypothesis that God is irreducibly triadic and hence is aPeircean sign as well as a mathematical category. f = ontogenesis (?);g = epistogenesis (?); h = grounding, proof, truth (?)
In the Peirce-L post dated May 8, 2015, I also suggested that Mind may be irreducibly triadic, and Mind may be a prerequisite for Step g above.If you have any questions, suggestions, or criticisms, let me know.All the best.Sung--Sungchul Ji, Ph.D.
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