Soren, Did you see this message from Ben? Are you accidentally Bccing peirce-l? If you're not certain, would you check with a tech person to see that you are inadvertently copying these posts to peirce-l
Best, Gary Richmond [image: Gary Richmond] *Gary Richmond* *Philosophy and Critical Thinking* *Communication Studies* *LaGuardia College of the City University of New York* *C 745* *718 482-5690* ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Benjamin Udell <[email protected]> Date: Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 10:46 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [PEIRCE-L] SV: SV: SV: SV: SV: [Sadhu Sanga] Paper Refuting Darwinism Published in Journal 'Communicative & Integrative Biology' To: [email protected] Edwina, list, IUPUI's technical person told me that Sadhu Sanga is not currently subscribed to peirce-l, at least not by its email address [email protected] or something like it. I have checked and seen that new messages have appeared at Sadhu Sanga that have not appeared at peirce-l. Maybe somebody subscribed then unsubscribed Sadhu Sanga to peirce-l. Your guess that something in the comments from Sadhu Sanga was activating the spam filters appears to have worked, since your message got through when you re-sent it after removing much of the comments from Sadhu Sanga. I noticed that somebody's signature often used there contains image links etc., something there must bother the spam filters. Best, Ben On 2/2/2016 10:09 AM, Edwina Taborsky wrote: I don't know if this post will get through; my server notified me that it was spam. So, I'm removing much of the comments from sadhu sanga...Again, this post didn't come from the Peirce-L site nor from Soren. It came from the Sadhu Sanga site - and I don't think the Peirce-L site should be an appendage of that site. Edwina ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Edwina Taborsky <[email protected]> *To:* Søren Brier <[email protected]> ; <[email protected]> [email protected] *Sent:* Tuesday, February 02, 2016 10:02 AM *Subject:* Re: [PEIRCE-L] SV: SV: SV: SV: SV: [Sadhu Sanga] Paper Refuting Darwinism Published in Journal 'Communicative & Integrative Biology' Soren - I think it's useless to argue with a fundamentalist who is isolated from reality. The statements he makes are ungrounded and totally detached from the real world and thus, are outside of rational or logical debate: , eg, he writes: 1) " There is no evidence for macroevolution presupposition and thus we do not accept it. We accept subjective evolution of consciousness and not objective evolution of bodies." There is evidence for macroevolution - but evidence for the 'subjective evolution of consciousness'? No, there is no evidence for this. But - Dr. Shanta asserts that his faith-based conclusion is valid. 2) Democracy is not based upon a scientific foundation and applying such a system is extremely harmful (as we are witnessing at various parts of the world) for a society, where unwise individuals form the majority. Will you accept, if illiterate people (or individuals from commerce/arts/’political science’ background) are given the power to judging by a majority voting system ‘who is the best scientist?’ The above statement by Dr. Shanta is illogical and irrational. Democracy has nothing to do with science but is a method of making decisions based on an assumption of equality of individuals. We see in the above that Dr. Shanta does not accept such equality - defining people as 'unwise', as 'illiterate'....and suggesting that there is some special, non-distributed knowledge base required in order to make decisions about 'how we want to live'. That is, he obviously supports elitist authoritarianism - but - what is his evidence for the truth value of this elite class who will make societal decisions for the rest of us? 3) And, he writes: "Modern science cannot get any credibility until it overcomes the endless trial and error methodology, where continually one opinion is replaced by another. The supremacy of Absolute is not dependent on our acceptance and rejection. Our false ego cannot change the fact that we are inherently dependent beings and Supreme Absolute is the master of everyone." The above is yet another example of an illogical belief. That is the strength of science - that it admits fallibility, leaves its knowledge base open to further data and experimentation and further rational analysis - rather than pure blind faith. And of course - this 'Supreme Absolute' is pure blind faith - an opinion held by Tenacity and Authority. 4) He writes: "In this material world there are always different wars are going on. The army men of one country are fighting against the army men of another enemy country. These fights cannot be stopped artificially because in a material conception of life people are living a self centered life (which also include the extended self: country, cast, colour and creed). Moreover, artificially we cannot practice nonviolence, Is he actually supporting violence? 5) Finally - this post doesn't seem to have come from the Peirce-L site. That is, when I hit 'reply' - it was trying to send it to the Sadhu Sanga site - rather than to Soren or Peirce-L. I don't think that the Peirce-L site should become an appendage of the Sadhu-Sanga site. Edwina ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Søren Brier <[email protected]> *To:* [email protected] *Sent:*Tuesday, February 02, 2016 8:11 AM *Subject:* [PEIRCE-L] SV: SV: SV: SV: SV: [Sadhu Sanga] Paper Refuting Darwinism Published in Journal Communicative & Integrative Biology' Dear Bhakti Niskama Shanta ----------------------------- PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to [email protected] . To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message not to PEIRCE-L but to [email protected] with the line "UNSubscribe PEIRCE-L" in the BODY of the message. More at http://www.cspeirce.com/peirce-l/peirce-l.htm .
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