John C., List: This is the equivocation to which I have been trying to call attention. When Jeff talks about "ordered" and "unordered" relations, I take him to be referring to your notion of "intrinsic priority." When I talk about order as a prerequisite for existence, I have something different in mind; more like order in the sense of organization or, perhaps better, intelligibility. I am evidently not doing a good job of defining it so far.
The goal of this discussion is to shed light on what Peirce meant by "super-order" in CP 6.490. It seems clear to me that what he described there was not order as "intrinsic priority," but rather as that which I am trying to articulate, since he said that both order and uniformity are particular varieties of super-order. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 12:04 AM, John Collier <colli...@ukzn.ac.za> wrote: > Jon, List, > > > > I think your examples of order are irrelevant to whether the spots have > order. Relative to the blackboard alone there is no left or right or up and > down. These come from external conditions (gravity, space ship > acceleration) and our viewpoint. In three dimensional space we can have > true left and right handedness, the difference not depending on the > observer (right hand screw compared to left hand screw) – there is an > innate asymmetry. But it is not clear this gives and order, which I would > understand as one having a natural priority. I don’t see a grounds for that > even in your examples. > > > > Can any two things have an order that depends on intrinsic priority? Well, > larger, smaller might. One and two I think have an intrinsic order, even > without the number system, because there are two independent ways to map > two onto one (but the opposite is also true, for mapping one onto two) that > provide a direction. In the mappings, the two relations must meet at one, > and diverge to two. Is this priority? I am inclined to think it is, but I > can’t find an argument at 6:30 A< after only one cup of coffee. Perhaps two > cups would help > > > > John Collier > > Emeritus Professor and Senior Research Associate > > Philosophy, University of KwaZulu-Natal > > http://web.ncf.ca/collier >
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