"CSP: Finally, as what anything really is, is what it may finally come to be 
known to be in the ideal state of complete information, so that reality depends 
on the ultimate decision of the community; so thought is what it is, only by 
virtue of its addressing a future thought which is in its value as thought 
identical with it, though more developed. In this way, the existence of thought 
now depends on what is to be hereafter; so that it has only a potential 
existence, dependent on the future thought of the community. (CP 5.316, EP 
1:54-55, 1868)"

Although this quote goes a long way toward envisioning an empirical process or 
an ontology (i.e. the process of science and an understanding of what and how 
what is is), it seems almost completely inapplicable to the process of making 
art or a poem. This is a major shortcoming, it seems to me, in Peirce, a 
shortcoming Dewey, for one, addressed.

SxS


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I suggest that we interpret that particular statement in light of what comes 
right before it.

CSP: Finally, as what anything really is, is what it may finally come to be 
known to be in the ideal state of complete information, so that reality depends 
on the ultimate decision of the community; so thought is what it is, only by 
virtue of its addressing a future thought which is in its value as thought 
identical with it, though more developed. In this way, the existence of thought 
now depends on what is to be hereafter; so that it has only a potential 
existence, dependent on the future thought of the community. (CP 5.316, EP 
1:54-55, 1868)

Note that Peirce wrote the article in which these quotes appear ("Some 
Consequences of Four Incapacities") at age 28, not 18. He is contrasting the 
individual human, "apart from his fellows," with "the community" whose 
collective thought would "be in the ideal state of complete information" after 
infinite inquiry and thus would know "what anything really is." This is the 
telos of the ongoing process of semiosis that Richard Kenneth Atkins calls 
"cognitive welding" in his 2016 book, Peirce and the Conduct of Life: Sentiment 
and Instinct in Ethics and Religion.

To the extent that each of us suffers from "ignorance and error," we have a 
"separate existence" from the continuum of Truth that is represented in 
existential graphs by the sheet of assertion. Again, whether this "negation" is 
"symmetrical by composition" or unsymmetrical depends on whether excluded 
middle holds, such that every proposition is either true or false; and Peirce 
states plainly, "This assumption ... I consider utterly unwarranted, and do not 
believe it" (NEM 3:758, 1893). That is why "Triadic Logic does not conflict 
with Dyadic Logic; only, it recognizes, what the latter does not" such that 
"Triadic Logic is universally true" (R 339:515[344r], 1909).

Regards,

Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA
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Thanks, Jon Alan, I think I’m aboard this train of thought, although it’s 
taking me into unfamiliar territory.
I hadn’t really considered that a relation of negation can be either 
symmetrical or asymmetrical. I wonder which case applies to this early (18) 
remark of Peirce’s: “The individual man, since his separate existence is 
manifested only by ignorance and error, so far as he is anything apart from his 
fellows, and from what he and they are to be, is only a negation” (EP1:55, CP 
5.317). Either? Both? Neither?
Gary f.
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