List, Gary CSP professed to be a pragmatist and a realist.
As such, he based his epistemology and ontology on semiosis and the meaning of signs. Can you clarify how the assertions of your message are related to CSP’s philosophies? Observation of a cedar tree is nice. Cheers Jerry > On Aug 17, 2021, at 3:35 PM, g...@gnusystems.ca wrote: > > Bernard, the “converse” you refer to, stated exactly, would be that what is > or is not true of the world of existences can be scientifically stated > without the help of mathematical reasoning. > > You are asking whether we can “ascertain” that. > > Well, there is a cedar tree just outside the window next to me as I write > this. This is true of the world of existences, and I have stated it without > the help of mathematical reasoning. One example should suffice — unless you > define “scientifically stated” in such a way as to exclude reports of direct > observation, or else define “mathematical reasoning” in a way that includes > direct observation. So which of those equally far-fetched definitions are you > going to resort to, in order to prove your point? > > Gary f. > > > From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu <peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu> On > Behalf Of Bernard Morand > Sent: 17-Aug-21 14:35 > To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu > Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Modeling in Humanities : the case of Peirce's > Semiotics.(Part A) > > List, > The quote CP 8.110 (JAS to Robert, below) asserting that "mathematical > reasoning ... never reaches any conclusion at all as to what is or is not > true of the world existences" is a quasi-truism. > But the problem at hand is: Is the converse also true ? > That is to say : can we ascertain that the world of existences can be > scientifically stated without the help of mathematical reasoning ? > My response (and I think Peirce's too) is No. The slides by De Tienne > explicitely claim: Yes. > Such a standpoint will lead phaneroscopy to limit itself to simple > inventories of so called phanerons (see the ADT slide about oenoscopy, a kind > of study which has been known under the label of comparativism in Human > Sciences before the arrival of Structuralism) > B. Morand > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON > PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu > . > ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.iupui.edu > with UNSUBSCRIBE PEIRCE-L in the SUBJECT LINE of the message and nothing in > the body. More at https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/help/user-signoff.html . > ► PEIRCE-L is owned by THE PEIRCE GROUP; moderated by Gary Richmond; and > co-managed by him and Ben Udell.
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