Dear Gary, list:
You said:
*As for those questions, each reader of the list will have to come up with
their own answers (or else leave the questions open).*
*Nothing has been said during the slow read that would persuade me to make
substantial changes to that paper, so I’m content to let it speak for me.*
I have heard similar laments in the recent and long-forgotten past
- and some of them very damning to our current democratic condition,
that is, to our general (275e) political condition.
Do you ask me to prove this?
If so, you must be a rationalist, indeed.
I can prove it
-- but *only by assuming a logical principle *
of the demonstration of which I shall give a hint in the next lecture.
With best wishes,
Jerry R
PS.
Tao Te Ching 32..
That is a wonderful recommendation that I whole-heartedly endorse.
I mean what does ephectic desire have to do with anything, *amirite*?
On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 2:30 PM <g...@gnusystems.ca> wrote:
> Jerry R,
>
> The slow read is not *quite* concluded: there are still two more slides
> to go. Slide 50 consists of a series of questions similar to the one you
> ask here; the last slide is a graphic showing ADT’s somewhat whimsical
> portrait of a science-egg (with its various parts labelled).
>
> As for those questions, each reader of the list will have to come up with
> their own answers (or else leave the questions open). I’ve given some hints
> of my own answers along the way, and back in June I submitted a paper on
> the subject which is due to be published later this year as part of a
> collection edited by Ahti-Veikko Pietarinen and Mohammad Shafiei. Nothing
> has been said during the slow read that would persuade me to make
> substantial changes to that paper, so I’m content to let it speak for me.
>
> I wouldn’t have written such a paper if I hadn’t paid very close attention
> to Peirce’s writings that *explicitly deal with phenomenology and
> phaneroscopy*. Some of the most vociferous opinions expressed during the
> slow read came from people who consider themselves experts but obviously
> have *not* paid close attention to what *Peirce* said on the subject, and
> have even objected to Peirce’s writings on the subject being posted to the
> list (instead of his writings on mathematics, for instance). Some of these
> opinions were clearly motivated by a hostile reading
> <https://gnusystems.ca/TS/scp.htm#hxrd> of ADT’s slides. I think any
> readers who still have open minds regarding phaneroscopy owe it to
> themselves to at least read everything in EP2 on the subject, if not some
> of the harder-to-find texts like R 645
> <https://gnusystems.ca/howtodefine.htm> (which is now on my website).
>
> If someone has paid close attention to the *practice* of phaneroscopy as
> described in concrete detail by Peirce, and has tried it out for himself
> (as Peirce insisted one must in order to draw any conclusions from it),
> *then* he can form and express a valid opinion about its scientific value
> (or lack thereof), as R.K. Atkins did in his book about it. I don’t believe
> that any opinions about it which *aren’t* based on such a study are worth
> arguing about. I also believe that opinions about Peirce’s philosophy which
> ignore his phenomenology/phaneroscopy are just as liable to distortion as
> opinions which ignore his mathematics or his semeiotics.
>
> I said in a previous post that phaneroscopy is pre-scientific. I don’t
> have a more direct answer to your question, so this will have to do.
>
> Gary f.
>
> } Once the whole is divided, the parts need names. There are already
> enough names. One must know when to stop. [*Tao Te Ching* 32
> (Feng/English)] {
>
> https://gnusystems.ca/wp/ }{ living the time
>
>
>
> *From:* peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu <peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu> *On
> Behalf Of *Jerry Rhee
> *Sent:* 16-Sep-21 13:56
> *To:* Gary Fuhrman <g...@gnusystems.ca>
> *Cc:* Peirce-L <peirce-l@list.iupui.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 49
>
>
>
> Dear Gary, list:
>
>
>
> Since the slow read has concluded,
>
> I would like to recall a letter sent immediately after its initial
> announcement
>
> (on June 11).
>
>
>
> “My apologies for skipping to the end but it was always my assumption that
>
> Phaneroscopy was a wind-egg, not a science-egg.
>
> That is, it appears, then, that Peirce always presented Phaneroscopy
>
> merely as an aggregate of separate doctrines (fragmentarily)
>
> and not systematically- as a true science.”
>
>
>
> So now, what is your judgment? What is the verdict?
>
>
>
> *Phaneroscopy, science-egg or wind-egg?*
>
>
>
> ___
>
>
>
> If, as Peirce says
>
> *Phaneroscopy is still in the condition of a science-egg,*
>
> *hardly any details of it being as yet distinguishable,*
>
> *though enough to assure the student of it that …*
>
> *it surely will in the future become a strong and beneficent science.*
> (R 645:2, 1909)
>
>
>
> And if, as Gary says
>
> *In these letters (between Peirce and William James, 1898)*
>
> *Peirce asserts his allegiance to what he calls*
>
> *“conservative sentimentalism” or “sentimental conservatism.”*
>
> *The basic idea is that in the conduct of everyday social life,*
>
> *when it comes to making crucial decisions,*
>
> *we ought to trust our instinctive or “gut feelings”*
>
> *rather than our capacity for reasoning or our philosophical theories..*
>
>
>
> I hardly see any reason why we ought to take him seriously.
>
> That is, it is *impossible* for me to believe a man,
>
> who puts himself forth genuinely *as logician*,
>
> that he would *prescribe* such an immature belief.
>
>
>
> That he *has* the belief is not surprising, but there is something
> *obvious* that is missing here.
>
> For have you forgotten the old decree?
>
>
>
> Believest thou that he there spake the truth?
>
> Why dost thou believe it?"
>
>
>
> The disciple answered: "I believe in Zarathustra."
>
>
>
> But Zarathustra shook his head and smiled.
>
> -- Belief doth not sanctify me, said he,
>
> least of all the belief in myself.
>
>
>
> But granting that some one did say in all seriousness
>
> that the poets lie too much: he was right
>
> —WE do lie too much.
>
>
>
> Moreover, when Peirce admits
>
>
>
> *in all the works on pedagogy that ever I read,- and they have been many,
> big, and heavy,-*
>
> *I don’t remember that any one has advocated a system of teaching by
> practical jokes.. *
>
> *That however, describes the method of our great teacher, Experience.* *She
> says*
>
>
>
> *Open your mouth and shut your eyes*
>
> *And I’ll give you something to make you wise;*
>
>
>
> Would you be prepared to do this action because Peirce said “*Believe me!*’?
>
>
> Would you want Experience to keep her promise-
>
> to take her pay in the fun of tormenting us?
>
>
>
> I mean, *what was our experience during this slow read*?
>
>
>
> As to what is missing,
>
> * A Little Known Argument for the Being of God*
>
> * A Neglected Argument for the Reality of God*
>
>
>
> That. is (~CP 2.116),
>
> *We know **already** how we must proceed*
>
> in order to determine* what the meaning of the question is.*
>
> *Our sole guide must be the consideration of the use to which the answer
> is to be put*
>
> *--not necessarily the practical application,*
>
> *but in what way it is to subserve the summum bonum.*
>
>
>
> *It is absolutely impossible that the word "Being" should bear any meaning
> whatever *
>
> *except with reference to the summum bonum..*
>
>
>
> *We sketch out the method and apply it to a few metaphysical conceptions,
> such as Reality, Necessity, etc.*
>
> *(And then CP 5.53)..*
>
> *Everybody** should be competent to answer that of himself..*
>
>
>
> (I would recommend looking up this section, “Everybody..”, on page 161,
>
> edited by Turrisi in *Method of Right Thinking. *
>
> There is an interesting framing there in bold, which is not present in
> Collected Papers. Hope that helps!)
>
>
>
> With best wishes,
> Jerry R
>
>
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