Jack, Edwina, List: ET: Put the dot right at the intersection of the three lines of the Y.
In Peirce's EGs, there is no "dot" at the intersection, there is the name of a triadic relation. In his generic examples (CP 1.347, 1903), this is simply a letter--"a," "b," "c," or "d." In semiosis, it is "representing" or "mediating." ET: Now - think of this dot, as the ground site, the attractor site, for THREE Relations. In Peirce's EGs, there are not three relations, there is only one triadic relation that has three correlates. In semiosis, those three correlates are the sign, its object, and its interpretant. ET: Think of a Relation as a kind of connection link between one node and another node. Again, the only relation in each of Peirce's EGs is the one whose name is in the middle. The three lines are not relations, they denote the three correlates of the one triadic relation. A *genuine *triadic relation, such as representing or mediating, *involves *the three dyadic relations between its correlates but is not *reducible to* them. In fact, Peirce's 1903 taxonomy classifies a sign according to the nature of its dyadic relations with its object (icon/index/symbol) and with its interpretant (rheme/dicisign/argument), although there is no separate division for the dyadic relation between the interpretant and the object because it is the same as the dyadic relation between the sign and the object. CSP: A *Representamen *is the First Correlate of a triadic relation, the Second Correlate being termed its *Object*, and the possible Third Correlate being termed its *Interpretant*, by which triadic relation the possible Interpretant is determined to be the First Correlate of the same triadic relation to the same Object, and for some possible Interpretant. A *Sign *is a Representamen of which some Interpretant is a cognition of a mind. Signs are the only representamens that have been much studied. (CP 2.242, EP 2:290-291, 1903) Peirce later abandons the term "representamen," having decided that "there was no need of this horrid long word" because the term "sign" is "a wonderful case of an almost popular use of a very broad word in almost the exact sense of the scientific definition" (SS 193, 1905). Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 12:57 PM Edwina Taborsky <tabor...@primus.ca> wrote: > Jack, list > > Good heavens - A cutting board example! > > 1] No, the Y shaped format of the Semiosic Sign is irreducible. It's hard > to, on a computer, show this. > > 2] But - take a DOT . Put the dot right at the intersection of the three > lines of the Y. > > Now - think of this dot, as the ground site, the attractor site, for > THREE Relations. > > 3] a Relation is an informational interaction; it carries data. Think of a > Relation as a kind of connection link between one node and another node. > > 4] Now ..look at the Y shape. Right at the centre of those three > spokes/Relations....that's the GROUND, that big Dot. [even though I can't > show it on this computer]. > > Notice - there are THREE lines/Relations coming out of that Centre 'dot'. > You cannot reduce these three; otherwise, it's not a semiosic sign. > > 5] The first Relation we'll consider is the vertical one. That's the > Representamen in itself. That's a mediating relation; it only functions > within the triad. It will be in a mode of 1ns, 2ns, 3ns. Its function is to > receive the input data, 'mediate it' according to its stored laws, > transform it'...and pass it on to the Interpretant Relation. > > 6] The next Relation is that between the Representamen and the Dynamic > Object. That brings in the input data to that Representamen. Also could be > in a mode of 1ns, 2ns, 3ns. [icon, index, symbol] > > 7] the next Relation is that between the Representamen and the > Interpretant node. That relation is the result of the Representamen's > mediative actions on the input data. Also could be in a mode of 1ns, 2ns, > 3ns. > > Hope this helps a bit. > > Edwina >
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