[peirce-l] Re: A sign as First or third...

[Claudio Guerri]

Jorge, List,   I think that (even if I don't know too much about the exact way in which Lacan "met" Peirce) there is no discussion anymore that Lacan is LACAN after he included Peirce's proposal in his structuralistic approach to Freud. For the conceptual approach you can see "Des fondements sémiotiques de la psychanalyse. Peirce après Freud et Lacan" by Michel Balat.Paris: L'Harmattan, 2000.   There are 3 triads that are VERY profitable for applied semiotics, each one in it's one way is specific for different tasks:   For 1ness          For 2ness                    For 3ness Peirce                Althusser                      Lacan Firstness           Theoretical Practice     Imaginary Secondness     Economical Practice    Real Thirdness          Political Practice          Symbolic   Since all signs are very complex signs always, we can not reduce everything only to the peircean-logical-aspects.   In my view, there are also 3 logical sequences to begin researching on something:   1. The logical approach: beginning by 1ness,possibility; then 2ness, actualization; and 3ness, law or necessity. 2. The study of a concrete case: beginning by Economical Practice (Which are the concrete existent examples? for concrete things, or Which are the behaviors/performances? for abstract concepts); following Political Practice and finally Theoretical Practice. 3. The psychological approach: ("symbols grow"... also for the psychoanalyst) beginning by the Symbolic aspect through the significant... I will avoid here more details because it is not my competence... but it works wonderful... I can tell...   Applied semiotics is accepting to put our feets in the muddy earth... and get dirty!!! All this is not ment as a peircean review. At the same time a thank Ransdell (specially for the List) and others for their "clean" and very necessary work.   Best Claudio             ----- Original Message ----- From: Jorge Lurac To: Peirce Discussion Forum Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 4:00 AM Subject: [peirce-l] Re: A sign as First or third... Claudio, list   I find at least curious the mention of Lacan as a backing for to discuss the Peirce's triadic conception, Claudio. You should remember he was a Peirce's scholar  and some of its more important seminars were presented by F. Recanati.   J. Lurac --- Message from peirce-l forum to subscriber archive@mail-archive.com