o gt y.. iya .. saya udah bc tapi br sedikit... ini kan cuman untuk referensi kan? sekedar tahu.. nanti takutnya gw bisa ikutan lagi jadi member..kan gk asik tuh..nanti TUhan marah gimana??? (hehehe)
--- On Sun, 7/27/08, James Maramis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: James Maramis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Pemuda Advent] Re: [Pemuda Advent] KOK SEPI YAH... To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 10:32 PM Pak P24 dkk, email saya sebelumnya (udah di re-send tgl 24 Juli, subject: Re-send) baru 1 orang yang respon (pak Darmawan), dan menurut saya itu juga tidak memuaskan. sekali lagi mohon pencerahannya, salam, Jamz ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= == (Reply dari Pak Darmawan) sejarah pergerakan gereja advent tidak terlepas dari EGW. Tanpa ada EGW barangkali tidak ada GMAHK. Seingat saya waktu dibaptis dulu pdt saya tidak menekankan/membacak an harus percaya pada EGW. ----- Original Message ----- From: James Maramis To: pemuda_advent@ yahoogroups. com - Hide quoted text - Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 12:16 PM Subject: [Pemuda Advent] Re: [Pemuda Advent] Re: [Pemuda Advent] Back to Bible: (before was Apakah anda pengikut Lucifer??) bagaimana dengan orang yang bertanya, mengapa ketika seorang akan dibaptis menjadi Advent dia diharuskan untuk mempercayai EGW-dan tulisan2nya? (pendeta akan menanyakannya di depan jemaat). bukankah dengan demikian secara tidak langsung EGW (dan tulisan2nya) "seperti" menjadi keharusan agar bisa diterima menjadi seorang Advent? didalam doktrin gereja Advent ada poin ini, (di copy paste dari www.adventist. org) 18. The Gift of Prophecy: One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.) Mohon dijelaskan poin2 yang di highlighted diatas. - her writings are a continuing - authoritative source of truth??? - which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction Berikut petikan dari situs www.exadventist. com The "landmarks" or "pillars" of Adventism have their roots in Ellen White. As these were being developed, Mrs. White had an unquestionably authoritative role in deciding what would be defined as truth and error. Mrs. White describes how Adventist doctrine was established: At that time [after the 1844 disappointment] one error after another pressed in upon us; ministers and doctors brought in new doctrines. We would search the Scripture with much prayer, and the Holy Spirit would bring the truth to our minds . . . . The power of God would come upon me, and I was enabled clearly to define what is truth and what is error. As the points of our faith were thus established, our feet were placed upon a solid foundation. We accepted the truth point by point, under the demonstration of the Holy Spirit. I would be taken off in vision, and explanations would be given me. I was given illustrations of heavenly things, and of the sanctuary, so that we were placed where light was shining on us in clear, distinct rays. Selected Messages, Bk. 3, pp. 31-32. selanjutnya, She broke the Sabbath for eleven years Though Mrs. White had many visions about the Sabbath, for eleven years she kept it from 6 P.M. Friday to 6 P.M. Saturday, instead of from sunset to sunset, as the Bible teaches in Leviticus 23:32. It was not until two days after J. N. Andrews presented a paper presenting the biblical reasons in favor of the sunset time that she had a vision to correct this sacrilege. See Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 1, p. 713 lagi, While it has been proven that Mrs. White was actively involved in plagiarism—taking the words of other authors and using them as her own, without giving credit—she denied this: Although I am as dependent upon the Spirit of the Lord in writing my views as I am in receiving them, yet the words I employ in describing what I have seen are my own, unless they be those spoken to me by an angel, which I always enclose in marks of quotation. Selected Messages, Bk. 1, p. 37 Mohon pencerahannya ----- Original Message ----- From: James Maramis To: pemuda_advent@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 6:30 PM Subject: [Pemuda Advent] Re: [Pemuda Advent] Back to Bible: (before was Apakah anda pengikut Lucifer??) maaf, jadi agak menyimpang dari topiknya nih. (aku buka topik baru aja deh klo gitu) ada teman yang kebetulan baca diskusi ini juga tiba2 nyeletuk, "Klo gitu perkataan bahwa dalam kita harus back to bible diganti dengan back to EGW writings dong?" apakah benar Bible itu tidak sempurna sehingga harus dikeluarkan 'penjelasan' yang lain? menurut pemahaman sahabat2 dari kaum muslim, kitab suci mereka (Al-Quran) merupakan pelengkap/penyempur na dari Bible. Kitab terakhir yang diturunkan menyempurnakan kitab sebelumnya. rgrds, jamz 2008/7/23 Darmawan Triosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED] co.id>: coba deh anda lakukan survei... 7 orang kafir suruh baca alkitab...dan buat kesimpulan masing masing. dan liat hasilnya.... bisa bisa 7 orang tersebut membuat kesimpulan sendiri sendiri gak ada yang sama........ itu berarti kalo manusia baca alkitab perlu tuntunan roh Kudus...... buku buku Ellen G white disebuat buku Roh Nubuat.... Karena buku buku itu adalah terang yang kecil yang menuntun kepada Terang yang besar(alkitab) Coba kita bayangkan,.. ...kalau seandainya.. ..... tidak ada buku E.GW..dari mana orang advent bisa tahu hari sabat itu suc,hari perhentian, hari yang diberkati ???, baca alkitab doang ??? Jutaan orang kristen(diluar advent) baca alkitab ..apakah mereka tahu dan yakin bahwa sabat itu suci????? tak satupun orang yang baca alkitab tanpa tuntunan Roh kudus dapat mengerti... 2008/7/28 pisctwentyfour <pisctwentyfour@ yahoo.com> kok sepi banget yah..milis pemuda advent.. pada sibuk semua ka? ayo ada kasus baru gk nih..
