Pak Harris, Saya sudah coba cari di internet 28 doktrin yang bahasa indonesia (khususnya yang poin 18) tapi belum nemu. mungkin ada teman2 yang bisa bantu tolong translate-in? aku takut aja salah translate, bukan translator yang sah soalnya,hehehe (apalagi tentang doktrin gereja)
ada yang bisa bantu?? thanks, jamz! On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:27 AM, harris budi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Pak James, kata beberapa teman2 yg tak perlu saya sebutkan namanya, > kalau boleh emailnya itu jangan pakai bahasa Inggris dong. Mereka tak > mengerti. > Coba deh diterjemahkan, niscaya banyak yg respon. > Niscaya lho pak.... > > --- On *Mon, 7/28/08, James Maramis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: > > From: James Maramis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [Pemuda Advent] Re: [Pemuda Advent] KOK SEPI YAH... > To: [email protected] > Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 12:32 PM > > Pak P24 dkk, > > email saya sebelumnya (udah di re-send tgl 24 Juli, subject: Re-send) baru > 1 orang yang respon (pak Darmawan), dan menurut saya itu juga tidak > memuaskan. > > sekali lagi mohon pencerahannya, > > salam, > Jamz > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= == > (Reply dari Pak Darmawan) > sejarah pergerakan gereja advent tidak terlepas dari EGW. Tanpa ada EGW > barangkali tidak ada GMAHK. > Seingat saya waktu dibaptis dulu pdt saya tidak menekankan/membacak an > harus percaya pada EGW. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: James Maramis > To: pemuda_advent@ yahoogroups. com <[email protected]> > - Hide quoted text - > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 12:16 PM > Subject: [Pemuda Advent] Re: [Pemuda Advent] Re: [Pemuda Advent] Back to > Bible: (before was Apakah anda pengikut Lucifer??) > > bagaimana dengan orang yang bertanya, mengapa ketika seorang akan dibaptis > menjadi Advent dia diharuskan untuk mempercayai EGW-dan tulisan2nya? > (pendeta akan menanyakannya di depan jemaat). > bukankah dengan demikian secara tidak langsung EGW (dan tulisan2nya) > "seperti" menjadi keharusan agar bisa diterima menjadi seorang Advent? > didalam doktrin gereja Advent ada poin ini, (di copy paste dari www.adventist. > org <http://www.adventist.org/>) > 18. The Gift of Prophecy: > One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an > identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of > Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and > authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, > guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible > is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel > 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.) > Mohon dijelaskan poin2 yang di highlighted diatas. > - her writings are a continuing > - authoritative source of truth??? > - which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and > correction > Berikut petikan dari situs www.exadventist. com<http://www.exadventist.com/> > The "landmarks" or "pillars" of Adventism have their roots in Ellen White. > As these were being developed, Mrs. White had an unquestionably > authoritative role in deciding what would be defined as truth and error. > Mrs. White describes how Adventist doctrine was established: At that time > [after the 1844 disappointment] one error after another pressed in upon us; > ministers and doctors brought in new doctrines. We would search the > Scripture with much prayer, and the Holy Spirit would bring the truth to our > minds . . . . The power of God would come upon me, and I was enabled clearly > to define what is truth and what is error. > As the points of our faith were thus established, our feet were placed upon > a solid foundation. We accepted the truth point by point, under the > demonstration of the Holy Spirit. I would be taken off in vision, and > explanations would be given me. I was given illustrations of heavenly > things, and of the sanctuary, so that we were placed where light was shining > on us in clear, distinct rays. Selected Messages, Bk. 3, pp. 31-32. > selanjutnya, > She broke the Sabbath for eleven years Though Mrs. White had many visions > about the Sabbath, for eleven years she kept it from 6 P.M. Friday to 6 P.M. > Saturday, instead of from sunset to sunset, as the Bible teaches in > Leviticus 23:32. It was not until two days after J. N. Andrews presented a > paper presenting the biblical reasons in favor of the sunset time that she > had a vision to correct this sacrilege. See Testimonies for the Church, Vol. > 1, p. 713 > lagi, > While it has been proven that Mrs. White was actively involved in > plagiarism—taking the words of other authors and using them as her own, > without giving credit—she denied this: Although I am as dependent upon the > Spirit of the Lord in writing my views as I am in receiving them, yet the > words I employ in describing what I have seen are my own, unless they be > those spoken to me by an angel, which I always enclose in marks of > quotation. Selected Messages, Bk. 1, p. 37 > Mohon pencerahannya > ----- Original Message ----- > From: James Maramis > To: pemuda_advent@ yahoogroups. com <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 6:30 PM > Subject: [Pemuda Advent] Re: [Pemuda Advent] Back to Bible: (before was > Apakah anda pengikut Lucifer??) > > maaf, jadi agak menyimpang dari topiknya nih. (aku buka topik baru aja deh > klo gitu) > ada teman yang kebetulan baca diskusi ini juga tiba2 nyeletuk, "Klo gitu > perkataan bahwa dalam kita harus back to bible diganti dengan back to EGW > writings dong?" > apakah benar Bible itu tidak sempurna sehingga harus dikeluarkan > 'penjelasan' yang lain? > menurut pemahaman sahabat2 dari kaum muslim, kitab suci mereka (Al-Quran) > merupakan pelengkap/penyempur na dari Bible. Kitab terakhir yang diturunkan > menyempurnakan kitab sebelumnya. > rgrds, > jamz > > > 2008/7/23 Darmawan Triosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED] co.id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >: > coba deh anda lakukan survei... 7 orang kafir suruh baca alkitab...dan buat > kesimpulan masing masing. dan liat hasilnya.... bisa bisa 7 orang tersebut > membuat kesimpulan sendiri sendiri gak ada yang sama........ itu berarti > kalo manusia baca alkitab perlu tuntunan roh Kudus...... buku buku Ellen G > white disebuat buku Roh Nubuat.... Karena buku buku itu adalah terang > yang kecil yang menuntun kepada Terang yang besar(alkitab) > Coba kita bayangkan,.. ...kalau seandainya.. ..... tidak ada buku > E.GW..dari mana orang advent bisa tahu hari sabat itu suc,hari perhentian, > hari yang diberkati ???, baca alkitab doang ??? Jutaan orang > kristen(diluar advent) baca alkitab ..apakah mereka tahu dan yakin bahwa > sabat itu suci????? tak satupun orang yang baca alkitab tanpa tuntunan Roh > kudus dapat mengerti... > > 2008/7/28 pisctwentyfour <pisctwentyfour@ yahoo.com<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >> kok sepi banget yah..milis pemuda advent.. >> >> pada sibuk semua ka? >> >> ayo ada kasus baru gk nih.. >> >> > > >
